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All or Nothing - spoilers

parklane1 said:
Without a doubt, seems some just want to use the underpar displays on Jose when we all know they did the same under Poch's last season.
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That's fair to a point. BUT isn't the point of a new manager, new ideas, new words etc that's often cited as the reason you change the manager rather than the whole team? And someone of Jose's stature you'd expect some response?

Of course it's reasonable to give Jose some slack for the crippling injury list and the sparse availability of the new recruits. Basically we are playing with a lot of previous squad players. And that logically could equal, not being good enough.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
That's fair to a point. BUT isn't the point of a new manager, new ideas, new words etc that's often cited as the reason you change the manager rather than the whole team? And someone of Jose's stature you'd expect some response?

Of course it's reasonable to give Jose some slack for the crippling injury list and the sparse availability of the new recruits. Basically we are playing with a lot of previous squad players. And that logically could equal, not being good enough.
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Spot on
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
That's fair to a point. BUT isn't the point of a new manager, new ideas, new words etc that's often cited as the reason you change the manager rather than the whole team? And someone of Jose's stature you'd expect some response?

Of course it's reasonable to give Jose some slack for the crippling injury list and the sparse availability of the new recruits. Basically we are playing with a lot of previous squad players. And that logically could equal, not being good enough.
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Yes it is i agree, but the way things are going if all the signings come off (Doherty, Holberg, Bale, Regulain, and maybe more) plus a few younger players being used more then it may be a case by the time we get to Xmas we may have a new team, because i think most of us can agree that some of our players either do not have it anymore or ( which is even worse) are not willing to give it anymore.

Truth is NONE of us know if Jose will fail or crash here but all the melting that has been done ( by some) after ONE fudging game of the season is sad to see.
 
He's not a project manager or an unkown quantity that people need time to evaluate, he's a household name that has a reputation that he carries with him (similar to Redknapp or Graham or others we have appointed in the past) plus all the talk when he was appointed was about instant results and being happy with the squad, challenging for the title in his second season blah blah blah - if you're going to talk the talk then you will be judged accordingly.

On the flip side If the talk upon his appointment was that the squad needed time and investment to rebuild before it could compete again then that is how he would be judged.
 
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billyiddo said:
He's not a project manager or an unkown quantity that people need time to evaluate, he's a household name that has a reputation that he carries with him (similar to Redknapp or Graham or others we have appointed in the past) plus all the talk when he was appointed was about instant results and being happy with the squad, challenging for the title in his second season blah blah blah - if you're going to talk the talk then you will be judged accordingly.

On the flip side If the talk upon his appointment was that the squad needed time and investment to rebuild before it could compete again then that is how he would be judged.
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Judged by his own very high standard
 
I will say that i personally don't think that's where there club is atm or when we made the change (ready for the big manager instant success route) and that we very much are in the middle of a rebuild job and require the relevant approach, however that is not how the club have acted and so its how they need to be judged.
 
Just seen the episode with the Rose & Jose conversation.

it seems like a scene from Goodfellas or Casino - levy has been called for as Rose tells Jose “ Tell Daniel I’m looking for him”
Rose must be a connected guy
 
spitshine said:
Just seen the episode with the Rose & Jose conversation.

it seems like a scene from Goodfellas or Casino - levy has been called for as Rose tells Jose “ Tell Daniel I’m looking for him”
Rose must be a connected guy
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I can actually hear the voice of Jose going ‘Danny, you say I’m a funny guy? Funny how exactly?’

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Finished it all tonight. Summary;

I fudging love Hugo. What a mans man. Strong. And sexy.

I love Son. Such a genuine guy.

Dele is lovely. Dier is great.

Jan leaving brought a tear. Him and Toby were genuinely great together.

Tangana is the new Ledley.

I now really want Aurier and Sissoko to do well.

Lucas seems very decent and not a horrible right wing nutter.

Harry is a legend and I loved the family stuff with him.

I wanted to like Levy more - but he didn’t seem genuine on camera. Very guarded, which may be ironically genuine, as he’s meant to be quite socially awkward.

And finally, José knows. He sees the problems and he’s trying to fix them.


Caveat: yes I know it’s been edited to make me think all of this.

Footnote. Kept forgetting it was Tom Hardy, until I picked up faint traces of Alfie Solomon. GHod he must have been trying so hard to keep a lid on the accent and yid comments!!!
 
billyiddo said:
He's not a project manager or an unkown quantity that people need time to evaluate, he's a household name that has a reputation that he carries with him (similar to Redknapp or Graham or others we have appointed in the past) plus all the talk when he was appointed was about instant results and being happy with the squad, challenging for the title in his second season blah blah blah - if you're going to talk the talk then you will be judged accordingly.

On the flip side If the talk upon his appointment was that the squad needed time and investment to rebuild before it could compete again then that is how he would be judged.
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it doesn’t help when he has a reputation for throwing his team under the bus after a poor performance and then chooses incendiary words like ‘lazy’ about the team. How we he meant that word it’s not a great look.
 
Jon said:
Finished it all tonight. Summary;

I fudging love Hugo. What a mans man. Strong. And sexy.

I love Son. Such a genuine guy.

Dele is lovely. Dier is great.

Jan leaving bought a tear. Him and Toby were genuinely great together.

Tangana is the new Ledley.

I now really want Aurier and Sissoko to do well.

Lucas seems very decent and not a horrible right wing nutter.

Harry is a legend and I loved the family stuff with him.

I wanted to like Levy more - but he didn’t seem genuine on camera. Very guarded, which may be ironically genuine, as he’s meant to be quite socially awkward.

And finally, José knows. He sees the problems and he’s trying to fix them.


Caveat: yes I know it’s been edited to make me think all of this.

Footnote. Kept forgetting it was Tom Hardy, until I picked up faint traces of Alfie Solomon. GHod he must have been trying so hard to keep a lid on the accent and yid comments!!!
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Pretty much my thoughts on it as well.
 
Just seen episode 8.
Dele talking how he’s just learnt to microwave beans. He’s quite immature and
i think some of this sums up his attitude and why he can’t adapt to the situation he now finds himself.

He’s had a smooth ride since becoming a footballer from MK but now for the first time he’s going to have to use his brain and clearly struggling.
 
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