Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Would Sigurdsson count as "homegrown"?
Yes he does.
We've named 12 overage homegrown players: Walker, Naughton, Dawson, Sig, Parker, Hudd, Livermore, Jenas, Bale, Lennon, Bentley and Defoe, plus we could have named Obika too.
Would Sigurdsson count as "homegrown"?
It looks so much weaker after the absence of Modric and VdV.
That looks a top 6 squad at best. I can't believe we shipped out so much class and spend half the money on raiding Fulham.
We did not ship them out...they jumped ship!! there is a huge difference.
We did not ship them out...they jumped ship!! there is a huge difference.
VDV didn't jump ship. VDV was sold because he didn't fit in with the plans. VDV would have stayed if he did.
Are u just wum or have u genuinely been asleep for the past few weeks?
Vdt wanted out,to return to Hamburg for the sake of his family life.
(He just didnt whine like a child to get it. He acted professionally)
VDV didn't jump ship. VDV was sold because he didn't fit in with the plans. VDV would have stayed if he did.
It was very much because he didn't fit into the plans. It was clearly different to the Modric situation, we could have kept him and he would have got on with things no problem - as shown by playing him. He was obviously willing to go, but it was down to the club to have the last say.
Had he been in the managers plans he would still be here. AVB lost Modric through no fault of his own. Any other player leaving was because he allowed it.
It was very much because he didn't fit into the plans. It was clearly different to the Modric situation, we could have kept him and he would have got on with things no problem - as shown by playing him. He was obviously willing to go, but it was down to the club to have the last say.
I take it you didn't read his tweets?
Exactly. If VDV was integral to AVB's plans, and VDV knew that, then he wouldn't have left. The bottom line is AVB plays 4-5-1 and in the Premiership VDV isn't suited to that formation. The fact that AVB is also keen to ship out Huddlestone & Dawson proves that he wants a pacey athletic team capable of defending at a high tempo. Something else VDV doesn't fit in with.
VDV would have stayed if AVB had wanted him to.
100% correct imo.
It was clear as day AVB didn't really care one bit that VDV left. His press conferences alone where he stated if VDV left it would be his decision and nobody else's was him telling us that Levy wanting to get ££££ had no bearing on it. Of course Levy was probably a little bit happy he could make a decent profit on a player approaching 30 but AVB was the one that wanted him out (and VDV was happy enough to return to Hamburg).
100% correct imo.
It was clear as day AVB didn't really care one bit that VDV left. His press conferences alone where he stated if VDV left it would be his decision and nobody else's was him telling us that Levy wanting to get ££££ had no bearing on it. Of course Levy was probably a little bit happy he could make a decent profit on a player approaching 30 but AVB was the one that wanted him out (and VDV was happy enough to return to Hamburg).
there's a possibility that you both are right - that VDV wanted to go and AVB wouldn't mind especially since Levy would sanction it and make a profit! But i think AVB was counting on Moutinho coming in![/QUOTE]
Different roles though. Basically in a 4-5-1 set up there is no place for a modern day "number 10" style player. Especially when the style of play for the 4-5-1 is a fast pressing game.
I notice through quotes someone else is using VDV's tweets as evidence which is laughable in itself, but VDV is an excellent PR man for the fans and he kept a respectful silence on the matter until his fate was decided. Had he remained at Spurs we'd have seen tweets stating how much he loved Hamburg but that his work at Spurs wasn't done etc.
Being left on the bench for the opening game of the season proved everything. Anyone who thinks that AVB wasn't happy to let VDV go is way off the mark IMO.
there's a possibility that you both are right - that VDV wanted to go and AVB wouldn't mind especially since Levy would sanction it and make a profit! But i think AVB was counting on Moutinho coming in![/QUOTE]
Different roles though. Basically in a 4-5-1 set up there is no place for a modern day "number 10" style player. Especially when the style of play for the 4-5-1 is a fast pressing game.
I agree that Rafa's not suited to a high-tempo pressing game, but so far we've been playing with Sigurdsson as a no.10 - I don't know where "in a 4-5-1 set up there is no place for a modern day "number 10" style player" comes from ... Kagawa at United? Cazorla at Arsenal? Ozil at Madrid? Mata at Chelsea?
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