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25/26 Injury and illness thread

tommysvr said:
Like I said, you're accusing a professional manager of ignoring medical advice to put the health of his players' at risk. Why bother arguing with someone who genuinely thinks like that?
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Enzo Maresca just got sacked by Chelsea and one of the major areas of friction was that he didn't want to listen to the medical team's advice e.g. they would say Cole Palmer can only play 30 minutes but he would disregard that and argue. It is pretty common in football e.g. Mourinho.

Getting back to Ange P, his team put up the most sprints and his players had the biggest load and they also got lots of hamstring injuries.
 
billyiddo said:
Let's hear your counter argument then? Ive explained why my position hasn't changed. We've gone from a super high number of injuries to a normal level of injuries - had our injury levels remained high then I could see reason to re-think it, but it hasn't
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Most of the squad had a proper pre-season/season off. A year further on from the post-Covid catch-up and dodgy World Cup placement. A wider pool of players to draw from (albeit as we are seeing the ones he has relied on heavily without rotation are going down - Porro being the freakish exception). A style which has seen us sitting much more than last year. Some new people in the medical dept. It's a variety of factors IMO. Not sure Deki's injury is down to overuse BTW (it appears to be a very rare knee injury in football, albeit fatigue would not have helped). Maddison as Ange's fault? He was out for large periods of last season too, and has always been injury prone throughout his career. Are you genuinely blaming Bergvall's injury on Ange? Obviously we're not blaming Kudus on Ange...
 
Bullet said:
Enzo Maresca just got sacked by Chelsea and one of the major areas of friction was that he didn't want to listen to the medical team's advice e.g. they would say Cole Palmer can only play 30 minutes but he would disregard that and argue. It is pretty common in football e.g. Mourinho.

Getting back to Ange P, his team put up the most sprints and his players had the biggest load and they also got lots of hamstring injuries.
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And the reason for Amorim being sacked was not his disregard of medical advice. It’s more common in football to listen to medical advice.

See? I can use a completely unrelated example too.
 
Bullet said:
Enzo Maresca just got sacked by Chelsea and one of the major areas of friction was that he didn't want to listen to the medical team's advice e.g. they would say Cole Palmer can only play 30 minutes but he would disregard that and argue. It is pretty common in football e.g. Mourinho.

Getting back to Ange P, his team put up the most sprints and his players had the biggest load and they also got lots of hamstring injuries.
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I never recovered from the training video where I watched Sarr closely. He was completely broken and still training with the rest of the lads the day after a match. He was hobbling around and he was barely able to take up a jog. Then Ange and his coaches put them in some short sprints. Sarr just couldn't do them. He ended up just walking the last 10 yards. The coaches didn't bat an eyelid.

I was actually a little bit shocked that Sarr was even out on the training ground in that condition. It was about this time of year where the injuries and fatigue had set in and you could tell in the matches that Sarr was nowhere near match fit. He was just patching himself up to play for his manager. He looked like he couldn't even walk without a limp in that condition.

It's in these moments that you expect a professional football club to have their eyes on every single player. It's in these moments that you expect one of the fitness / medical team to give Ange the heads up that a player can't train today. You expect the manager and coaching staff to accept that as critical path to getting the player ready for the next match. You also expect the player to be honest with no repercussions.
 
tommysvr said:
And the reason for Amorim being sacked was not his disregard of medical advice. It’s more common in football to listen to medical advice.

See? I can use a completely unrelated example too.
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Wow, your post has really thrown me. I'm shocked.

You said "you're accusing a professional manager of ignoring medical advice to put the health of his players' at risk" so I showed you an example from last week, to make it clear that it is very common for a top level manager to ignore medical advice and put the player's health at risk... and your response is to imply it is completely unrelated?

You need to take a step back and reassess, I think you have gone way down the Ange rabbit hole and can no longer see daylight.
 
dingdongo said:
Mate, I know the Ange bashing really grates on you but at some point you might have to try and move on from it. There are still people arguing whether Poch was sacked at the right time or whether we should have stuck by him and those debates never end! Some people will always believe Anges style of football causes more injuries and no amount of 'prove it' posts will convince people. (Just to be clear I didnt like Ange but have no real opinion on this injury discussion).

There's a whole world of more interesting things to discuss regarding Spurs and our current situation! ;)
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He wasn't and we should've (just to clear that up) ;)
 
We are never going to rule out injuries especially at this time in the season after the criminally busy festive season where games come in thick and fast. It's made worse because of the long term injuries we had from the start of the season.

@tommysvr I would be genuinely interested, in terms of research, to see when in the season lower muscle and in particular hamstring, and calf injuries started and the recovery time (I.e. period on the sidelines) over the last 5 seasons and including this one. For example, hadn't we lost both our main CBs before Christmas 2 seasons in a row? Not sure if you can provide that data (or can be bothered too)?
 
Its cumulative. Not having enough players to rotate, because of injuries, puts more pressure on the fit players. Selling Johnson without a replacment obviously a bo bo.
 
thfcsteff said:
Most of the squad had a proper pre-season/season off. A year further on from the post-Covid catch-up and dodgy World Cup placement. A wider pool of players to draw from (albeit as we are seeing the ones he has relied on heavily without rotation are going down - Porro being the freakish exception). A style which has seen us sitting much more than last year. Some new people in the medical dept. It's a variety of factors IMO. Not sure Deki's injury is down to overuse BTW (it appears to be a very rare knee injury in football, albeit fatigue would not have helped). Maddison as Ange's fault? He was out for large periods of last season too, and has always been injury prone throughout his career. Are you genuinely blaming Bergvall's injury on Ange? Obviously we're not blaming Kudus on Ange...
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Data is the most important consideration first. Did we see spikes in injuries earlier than would normally be expected over Ange's 2 seasons than before or after. Was the recovery time longer etc etc. From there we add the context. It may be that the data concludes that there were no greater injury spikes than to be expected during Ange's time. Which is fine. Although I doubt the exercise will end the arguments :grinning:.

What ever the conclusions, I think it is clear that the bodies of these footballers are being put under intolerable pressures these days which is seeing bigger injury lists across the board.
 
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Maddison doing some shooting practice today. I know its gonna take ages to get match ready but its got to be optimistic of a return this season right?
 
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