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2015/16 Europa League - Round of 16: Borussia Dortmund

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Armchair Expert said:
Thursday - Sunday is less recovery time than Weds - Saturday? OK.

Playing Lyon in the EL is further than playing Marseille in the CL? OK.

Did we play more games in the EL than Barcelona have in the CL? OK.
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Are you stupid?

Did I not claim that Wed-Sat is the same as Thu-Sun? For some reason you seem to have the deluded view that it is always Wed-Sat. IT IS NOT!

Lyon? Marseille? Okay... What about Tromso, Anzhi, and other crap teams from the far reaches of Europe?

We would have played more games than Barcelona if we actually reached the final. You were trying to say?
 
GPRD81 said:
You're right but remember that half the champ league games are on Tuesdays so they play at least 3 Tues-Sat plus being part of the Sky 4 cartel there's a decent chance that the CL teams' PL games go back to the Sunday anyway.
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Don't be so reasonable! Some people can't handle this.
 
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Before asking if others are stupid perhaps it'd be wise to read what has been said.

Thu-Sun - two days in between

Wed--Sat - two days in between

Sat-Tue - two days in between

It seems that the only additional days rest you will get is if you play in the televised Sunday games following a midweek CL tie - over the course of a season that's probably a negligable amount, 3 or 4 days maybe?
 
billyiddo said:
Before asking if others are stupid perhaps it'd be wise to read what has been said.

Thu-Sun - two days in between

Wed--Sat - two days in between

Sat-Tue - two days in between

It seems that the only additional days rest you will get is if you play in the televised Sunday games following a midweek CL tie - over the course of a season that's probably a negligable amount, 3 or 4 days maybe?
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It is about impact on league form, not the other way round. I don't care whether there is more or less time to prepare for European matches. What matters is that EL is hurting preparation time for league matches more than the CL does.
 
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Coys300 said:
It is about impact on league form, not the other way round. I don't care whether there is more or less time to prepare for European matches. What matters is that EL is hurting preparation time for league matches more than the CL does.
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That's fair but ultimately i don't think a handful of days over the course of a season has that big of an impact - in the EL you will rest/rotate more than the CL where there is more focus/importance placed on those games which will often see your first eleven used more than games in the EL which probably evens out the days extra rest you get a few times over the year.
 
Coys300 said:
Are you stupid?

Did I not claim that Wed-Sat is the same as Thu-Sun? For some reason you seem to have the deluded view that it is always Wed-Sat. IT IS NOT!

Lyon? Marseille? Okay... What about Tromso, Anzhi, and other crap teams from the far reaches of Europe?

We would have played more games than Barcelona if we actually reached the final. You were trying to say?
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No, I'm not stupid. Obviously I haven't stated my point clearly enough, or you haven't read the post properly. It seems enough other posters have understood it so I'm not going to bother repeating myself.
 
Maltese Falcon said:
We can conceivably fit in at least 6 - 8 second squad players or promising youngsters in the group phases and leave 7 first teamers at home. So what's the problem|?
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Completely agree. Leave the likes of Eriksen, Kane and Lloris at home for the away games, unless they are short haul flights such as Spain or France for example.
 
European trips for Premier League clubs
Total miles / Matches / Average trip
Tottenham
6,822.05 / 5 / 1,364.41
Liverpool
4,630.53 / 4 / 1,157.63
Emirates Marketing Project
4,194.07 / 4 / 1,048.52
Everton
4,907.39 / 5 / 981.48
Arsenal
4,271.74 / 5 / 854.35
Chelsea
2,298.35 / 4 / 574.59

Record after European away trips
Played / Won / Drawn / Lost
Tottenham
5 / 2 / 0 / 3
Liverpool
4 / 2 / 0 / 2
Emirates Marketing Project
4 / 2 / 1 / 1
Everton
5 / 2 / 1 / 2
Arsenal
5 / 4 / 1 / 0
Chelsea
4 / 2 / 2 / 0

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32582509
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
I'd love us to take the comp as seriously as Sevilla do, massive respect for them. Like others have said, if we want to be in the champs league we'd better get used to playing these extra games, otherwise if we did manage to qualify we'd up end up "doing a liverpool" anyway.
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Doing a liverpool?
We are already doing a Liverpool.
They rested the majority of their team away to Real in an attempt to make a half arsed bit for 4th.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Completely agree. Leave the likes of Eriksen, Kane and Lloris at home for the away games, unless they are short haul flights such as Spain or France for example.
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I think the idea should be more "set pairs" or groups of players

e.g. Vorm is fine for Europa, take our 3rd choice as sub
for CB's go for a pair, e.g. Dier/Wimmer for cup, Fazio/Vert for PL
midfield, go for Pritchard/Lamela in cup, Eriksen/Mason in PL

just examples, but instead of random, pair players that need to work with each other, and get a system/relationship built.

To me, right now Lamela, Pritchard, Dier, Yedlin +some striker other than Kane should start the Europa games next season
 
Could work raziel. I've always thought that rotating 3 or 4 players at a time at the most would be best for continuity and not the same 3 each time. Haven't really got time to fully explain it now, but would mean something like every 4th or 5th game you get rested, depending on the variables of who we are playing, injuries, suspensions, etc

I have a feeling it's how fergie did it, he rarely picked a completely different eleven from one game to the next, unless it was a league cup game.
 
So far the following teams have qualified for the group stage: Augsburg, Fiorentina, Braga, Locomotiv Moscow, Groningen, Anderlecht, Besiktas.

A few more will be decided by the upcoming weekend's cup finals.

22 teams will come through the qualifying rounds, 10 more will drop down from the CL playoffs.
 
Can't say I've read all this thread(so don't know if this point has been made) but noticed the topic on rest of players and Europa league. If your in The Europa league and have qualified out of the group stage imo you need to not be in the league cup semi finals. As otherwise you don't get any rest in the January period which is needed after playing two games a week followed by the festive period. It didn't helpthis season, that we decided to have a replay in the FA cup 3rd round also! Without that rest period players can fade out. Which is what we saw with Eriksen this season, I think he played the 3rd highest amount of minutes and it was showing in his performances. To also carry on in the Eurropa league unlike the champions league once it starts up again you play 2 rounds were the champions league play one. I don't think it's best to attempt the league cup along with a Europa campaign.

On a side note English clubs need to do well next season in Europe to keep the currant amount of Champions league places. Next season points will replace a season when England scored 18.357 while Italy scored a mere 11.571 that season. On the 5 year total they are 9.82 behind us. A season points is calculated by adding all the points gained by teams from a nation and dividing by the amount of clubs. So next season will be 8 because of West Ham making it harder to score an overall good average. What are the chances that if England lose a champions league place we finish 4th the 1st season it's just 3!
Uefa coefficient link:
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2015.html
 
Most spots have been filled now.

Spain

EL1-2=Athletic Bilbao >56.942 (eu/GS) or (eu/Q3)
EL1-2=Villarreal >58.942 (eu/Q3) or (eu/GS)

England

EL1=Tottenham Hotspur 84.078 (eu/GS)
EL2=Liverpool 47.078 (eu/GS)
EL3=Southampton FC 16.078 (eu/Q3)
FP=West Ham United 16.078 (eu/Q1)

Germany

EL1=FC Augsburg 15.883 (eu/GS)
EL2=Schalke 04 111.883 (eu/GS)
EL3=Borussia Dortmund 99.883 (eu/Q3)

Italy (league ends tomorrow)

EL1=Napoli > 84.102 (eu/GS)
EL2=Fiorentina >49.102 (eu/GS)
EL3=Genoa > 14.102 (eu/Q3)

Portugal

EL1=Sporting Braga 51.776 (eu/GS)
EL2=Vitória Guimarães 17.776 (eu/Q3)
EL3=CF Os Belenenses 12.276 (eu/Q3)

France

EL1=Olympique Marseille 55.483 (eu/Q3) or (eu/GS)
EL2=AS Saint-Étienne 16.983 (eu/Q3)
EL3=Bordeaux 24.483 (eu/GS) or (eu/Q3)

Russia

CW=Lokomotiv Moscow 23.099 (eu/GS)
EL2=FK Krasnodar 15.099 (eu/Q3)
EL3=Dinamo Moscow 27.599 (eu/Q3)

Netherlands (playoff for last spot)

CW=FC Groningen 8.695 (eu/GS)
EL2=AZ Alkmaar 46.695 (eu/Q3)
EL3= (eu/Q3)
FP=Go Ahead Eagles 8.195 (eu/Q1)

Ukraine

EL1=Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 52.033 (eu/GS)
EL2=Zorya Luhansk 10.533 (eu/Q3)
EL3=Vorskla Poltava 11.033 (eu/Q3)

Belgium (playoff for last spot)

EL1=Anderlecht 47.440 (eu/GS)
EL2=Standard Liège 25.440 (eu/Q3)
EL3= (eu/Q2)

Turkey

EL1=Besiktas 36.520 (eu/GS)
EL2=Istanbul Basaksehir 6.520 (eu/Q3)
EL3=Trabzonspor 36.520 (eu/Q2)

Switzerland (league winners Basel play Sion in the cup final

CW/EL3= (eu/GS) or (eu/Q2)
EL1-2=FC Zürich 16.875 (eu/Q3) or (eu/GS)
EL2-3=FC Thun 10.375 (eu/Q2) or (eu/Q3)

Austria (league winners Salzburg play Austria Wien in the cup final)

CW/EL3= (eu/Q3) or (eu/Q2)
EL1-3=Sturm Graz 9.135 (eu/Q3) or (eu/Q2)
EL1-3=SCR Altach 5.135 (eu/Q2) or (eu/Q3)
 
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