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ricky2tricky4city said:

Arsenal have done well to stick by Arteta. Plenty of opportunities to think of twisting (and many clubs would have).

And I'm 100% sure the tactics and methods Arteta employs now were ever in his wheelhouse and 5 years ago he himself never imagined they'd ever be.
It's a needs must exercise as all his favourite methods were trumped by City, Liverpool etc.

Plus his team in the last couple of seasons is a team born from 4 seasons previous progress......so comparing a teams style/performance/refined personnel against a manager (any manager) that is 30-40 games in, is a bit nonsensical.

Arsenal football club has been great for Arteta. I don't think he's great though, he's not in the excellent/elite manager category imo.

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I think Arteta ultimately is their Poch (*ducking* already), in hindsight good, but short of what could/should have been.

If you had asked the Arsenal board if it was ok for them to bet 7+ years & 1.2B+ to be almost there? obviously this year could change that but Emry with that money and time would have delivered something by now.

Raziel said:

I think Arteta ultimately is their Poch (*ducking* already), in hindsight good, but short of what could/should have been.

If you had asked the Arsenal board if it was ok for them to bet 7+ years & 1.2B+ to be almost there? obviously this year could change that but Emry with that money and time would have delivered something by now.

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Yeah it’s like…is Arteta actually really good, or is he a product of the way the game has gone, and so his goodness is wrapped up very specifically in crafting a system that exploits the dynamics of the game today.

I also think no other big club outside of Arsenal would have players that respect him as much. He’s just too weird. But the fact that he’s had the full reign at Arsenal to get everything his way, it works. And Arsenal to their credit backed him and allowed him to see it through after 2 average seasons to start.

Raziel said:

I think Arteta ultimately is their Poch (*ducking* already), in hindsight good, but short of what could/should have been.

If you had asked the Arsenal board if it was ok for them to bet 7+ years & 1.2B+ to be almost there? obviously this year could change that but Emry with that money and time would have delivered something by now.

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Emery is a manager for the top tier not elite level. Whenever hes been in that situation hes fallen just short. I don't think Emery at Arsenal would have won either of the bigger competitions so going with Arteta has proven to be the better decision.

I think Arsenal would already have a couple of recent PL trophies and other silverware IF they had kept Emery or hired a different world-class manager and given him Arteta’s budget.

He is the weakest link in their squad IMO and the football he has them playing is dire and taking the game backwards 30+years. So strange when you consider the type of player he was and then coached under Pep.

Ace Face said:

I think Arsenal would already have a couple of recent PL trophies and other silverware IF they had kept Emery or hired a different world-class manager and given him Arteta’s budget.

He is the weakest link in their squad IMO and the football he has them playing is dire and taking the game backwards 30+years. So strange when you consider the type of player he was and then coached under Pep.

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Not with Emery imo he's fail at the finals stage ala Poch sadly. Although Poch more than hit his ceiling, the lack of squad reinforcement is what stopped him imo.

Saying that Emery would have probably been the perfect followup to Poch if the stars had aligned differently.

ricky2tricky4city said:

Arsenal have done well to stick by Arteta. Plenty of opportunities to think of twisting (and many clubs would have).

And I'm 100% sure the tactics and methods Arteta employs now were ever in his wheelhouse and 5 years ago he himself never imagined they'd ever be.
It's a needs must exercise as all his favourite methods were trumped by City, Liverpool etc.

Plus his team in the last couple of seasons is a team born from 4 seasons previous progress......so comparing a teams style/performance/refined personnel against a manager (any manager) that is 30-40 games in, is a bit nonsensical.

Arsenal football club has been great for Arteta. I don't think he's great though, he's not in the excellent/elite manager category imo.

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In a PL that has got progressively worse, with Liverpool self imploding and city rebuilding any decent team would have wrapped this league up weeks ago.
Any Fergie era, Klopp's Liverpool and even most of wengers teams would have won this league.
He's lucked out, should he win the PL, and I think they will even though I also think WHU will take points from them, I don't honestly believe it will be the start of a trophy winning run for them.
In fact I don't think he will be there at the start of the 27/28 season.

Bishop said:

Not with Emery imo he's fail at the finals stage ala Poch sadly. Although Poch more than hit his ceiling, the lack of squad reinforcement is what stopped him imo.

Saying that Emery would have probably been the perfect followup to Poch if the stars had aligned differently.

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This Unai Emry? 4 time Europa League winner with 2nd/3rd tier sides? Guy with more than 9 major trophies?

I think you have to remember that Emery was tagged as not a stylistic fit at Arsenal. He would have been tagged that as well for us in 2019 as Poch left. In some ways the massive changes in the PL have played into Emery's hands beautifully. He hasn't had to play really attractive football and aspire to be a Pep or Arteta. In fact these 2 guys have had to become more Emery in their approach to how they manage. He wasn't so different either when he steered Seville and Villareal to UEFA wins. He definitely knows how to win ugly and fair play for that.

I think we all know that if any game was referee'd by the laws of the game then Emery's teams would be lower down the league. We've seen it with our own eyes in recent seasons when we've played them. They play to the current climate and fair play to them for that. I hope we start doing that under RDZ. Saying that, I hope the PL gets out of dull as ditchwater mode and the referees get a grip of the situation.

glasgowspur said:

If we offer £50k pw more than city most players are still going to choose city, city guarantees you trophies.

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Also, and its not a popular opinion, but to over pay what a player is likely worth by 50k a week to beat a better club is ridiculous. If a players abilities only dictates he is worth 100k a week to pay him 150/200 to attract him is ridiculous IMO. The league is absolutely littered with overpaid players and its why in part the leagues in such a financial mess, its easy for me to say "yeh just pay it" when there is zero recourse or real responsibility for me when it goes t1ts up.

MartyFunkhouser said:

Also, and its not a popular opinion, but to over pay what a player is likely worth by 50k a week to beat a better club is ridiculous. If a players abilities only dictates he is worth 100k a week to pay him 150/200 to attract him is ridiculous IMO. The league is absolutely littered with overpaid players and its why in part the leagues in such a financial mess, its easy for me to say "yeh just pay it" when there is zero recourse or real responsibility for me when it goes t1ts up.

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The collapse of LIV and the oil states supposedly thinking again about the sports washing could be about to bite a lot of clubs on the bum.
Peps never ending will he won't leave city could be more to do with what he knows is coming down the line than the 115 charges.