johnola
Dean Richards
which makes it both unfair and unsafe.
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OMT Spurs v Athletico
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thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
It has been an issue this season at that stadium, and AM players have complained several times. There are articles about it on t'internet. I suspect the players have been wearing different footwear for sometime. Obviously our fantastic 'advance' team failed to see them. I do wonder if we actually realised that we had an insider in our squad who could've given us all sorts of info...
Silly McSilly Face
Kasey Keller
I think its head in the sand time for you not to attribute the frankly ridiculous condition the squad has been in since half-way through Ange's first season. Its way beyond average for PL in all 3 seasons inc this one and killed our league campaign in all 3.
There is a difference between a player that has been passed fit to play with no issues and a player that is passed fit to play but managing long-term chronic issues. Most of our players have demonstrated an exceptionally increased propensity to miss games due to injuries and fitness and many are out long term.
Ange himself admits that injury risk is part and parcel of the way he trains and plays. Players and medical staff have adapted where he's been previously but nowhere before had the level of intense physicality, competitiveness and pace than the PL did
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I think you should read this.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9536391/#:~:text=INTRODUCTION,globally [4, 5].
Bishop
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Kulu, Dragusin, Solanke and Udogie. Maddsion arguably as he had a break down on his come back from his own longer term injury.
Not blaming Ange just reminding you of who was missing.
johnola
Dean Richards
if it is indeed a recurring issue then it seems many teams fell foul of lack of prep so maybe it’s not that easy to prepare for- added to that is as you say Gallagher would have known. Why would he have kept a schtum?
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Barcelona and another team complained. The stories are out there. I can post them if you want. In fact, even worse, the company AM used to relay the pitch after NFL stuff are the same company we use for our pitch (we also have had traction issues). Besides, even if it was down to the pitch having been over - watered 30 mins prior to KO, I think we should be onto that sort of thing.
monkeybarry
Dimitar Berbatov
Yeah, outside two months in the league and a very successful cup run, how did that go for ya .....
Silly McSilly Face
Kasey Keller
Seems Covid 19 focused, wrong article?
Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
He taught them to believe it was okay to lose league games. Look where that (along with other factors) has got us.
SteveAWOL
Erik Thorstvedt
If only we'd signed Olise when he was tearing it up (similar to Dele) at Reading instead of all the stupid twunts (like Gil, Solomon and Werner) we've squandered £millions on wages upon since then!
JerusalemMan
Jimmy McCormick
Griezmann did say afterwards that “We took advantage of some of their mistakes, either technical or because of the pitch, which is very slippery and we are used to it,”
Bishop
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Belief is no replacement for quality or specifically in this match not making fudging bine headed mistakes. Athletico didn't even need to be good, because we literally just gave them free shots on goal due to 2x goal keeper brainfarts and VDV being VDV. None of that is motivation related or even coaching related, its just players making brick mistakes.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
You are right, apologies, this is the one (albeit this all started with covid as we know)...
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...r-world-cup-increased-severity-injuries-study
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Mate, IMO you really, really need to leave the 'quality' argument aside.
We are what we are and we have what have. That is it! There is no mythical Hoddle/Maddison hybrid coming to save us. We have to find ways with the lot we have.
This is now a mini-season.
Someone needs to get in their heads and tell them what is done is done, that what will be is in their control, and that they are actually really decent players who can comfortably get the necessary wins.
In fact, belief is ALL we have right now.
And yes, belief is ABSOLUTELY a product of coaching as when you step onto the pitch, you are not nervous to make the mistakes which you inevitably end up making!!!!
Between that and a bricky support staff not recognising the issues of the pitch (which in turn could very well alter the tactics you employ in even the first 10-15 minutes of the game until you get used to it) the players are being underserved by weak and inefficient 'management'.
Bishop
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I wasn't really making a quality argument this time around.
I dont think the mistakes are directly related to a lack of quality tbh, they were just brick moments. I dont really buy the coaching confidence thing either, we saw Jorgensen make the same mistake, so did Oblak who has no coaching issues, Thiago Pitarch made a similar mistake against City and Madrid were 3 up at the time. Sometimes players just do a fudge up, its not always quality related but I do get why you might think thats my beef because its true a lack of quality is usually my beef.
I know Kinsky is capable of playing both of those balls better than he did, saving the shot is a difficult question entirely though.
Silly McSilly Face
Kasey Keller
Yeah so it is widely accepted that injury lists in the PL have got longer but Spurs have been a significant oulier in respect of both the number of players out and the length of time they are out. We have consistently had to field midfielders at CB and full back and start 18 year old and 19 year old players regularly over 3 seasons. It is clear that most of our key first team players are having to "manage" long-term chronic fitness issues that primarily make them prone to relapse (and new injuries) for example by having to adjust running style and fitness regime to compensate for the existing problems.
As an amateur i am currently in this exact doom cycle where a major injury to my deltoid ligament in a match in October 2023 caused me to develop an ingenal hernia, the swelling from which caused a bacterial prostitis infection. I have had multiple surgeries, 4 courses of anti biotics, a steroid injection and im due to have a further surgery on my ankle this summer.
I have had all this done privately via medical insurance so ive had superior and quicker intervention (similar to what a pro footballer would receive). Yet the reality is that the scar tissue build up around my ankle will never be fully resolved. The fragment of bone that chipped off and means my ankle joint is malformed will never be fully resolved. The wire mesh integrated into my inguinal muscle still causes irratation and inflamation and will be a chronic problem for the rest of my life.
My prostate has scarring from the infection and sometimes inflames making it uncomfortable to go to the toilet. This is chronic and something i will have to manage.
This is all from one significant injury. You are never the same. And none of our players that suffered these majory injuries over the last 3 seasons will ever be fully fit.
I am convinced that this is a major factor behind not only the long and persistent injury list but also the performances we see on the pitch - our players are consistently slower to the ball, beaten physically, and look tired and lethargic. Half of them are probably playing in pain, with the help of injextions and under some form of specialist management plan for long term chronic conditions that impacts their ability to train fully and commit fully on the pitch.