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****Tottenham Hotspur v Man Utd********* OMT Official

JerusalemMan said:
The deal was agreed but his chairman went back on it. Fernandes was distraught at the time. I remember there was more than a whiff of suggestion that there was inducement to play us along because Man Utd would be able to have a go in the summer
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We never agreed a fee with them.

The official statement released by Sporting president Frederico Varandas

“It was 'impossible' to retain Bruno Fernandes, but we did it. We prepared for his sale by putting a fair price on him, and we had bids, but the only serious offer was from Tottenham and that was €45 million (£40m/$50m) plus another €20m (£18m/$22m) in bonuses for winning the Premier League and the Champions League.



“Those are difficult objectives, so we chose not to accept.



“Bruno Fernandes proved to be not only a great player but a great professional and captain. The dignity and responsibility that he has always shown is exemplary.



“The day I turned down Tottenham's proposal, I came to the training ground and spoke to him. I told him why I declined the offer and why he would stay here beyond the end of the market and he understood perfectly.



“In addition, he also understood that the bid they offered us was not fair. He's not leaving, he's a Sporting player. Many European clubs want him and we know this is something we will always have
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From Bruno Fernandes himself.

"I have to be flattered that Sporting does not accept values that for them are low and for me it has to be proud of the club to think I'm worth more."
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I won't debate the correctness of the sending off, but I wonder if I saw the same thing as so many others? I heard the commentators repeatedly refer to the action as a "tackle" or a "challenge," whereas I saw a follow-through (reckless or otherwise) from a pass by the player with ball.

This is the Guardian's version: "Romero retaining his place backfired with his X-rated challenge on Casemiro. Outside Spurs’ area the ball ran to the Manchester United midfielder only for the Argentinian to stamp on his left ankle."

Really? A challenge on Casemiro, to whom the ball had run?! Perception is everything.
 
harr1984 said:
I thought the idea of sacking the manager who actually managed to win us something to bring a new manager in was to improve our league form?

Now all the narrative ever is is one of 'Well we haven't been good for a while anyway'.....
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The new man hasn't been able to arrest the problems we already have. It just demonstrates that the problems we have are deep set and no quick fix is applicable.
 
Dr Rosenrosen said:
I won't debate the correctness of the sending off, but I wonder if I saw the same thing as so many others? I heard the commentators repeatedly refer to the action as a "tackle" or a "challenge," whereas I saw a follow-through (reckless or otherwise) from a pass by the player with ball.

This is the Guardian's version: "Romero retaining his place backfired with his X-rated challenge on Casemiro. Outside Spurs’ area the ball ran to the Manchester United midfielder only for the Argentinian to stamp on his left ankle."

Really? A challenge on Casemiro, to whom the ball had run?! Perception is everything.
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I noted this too. It is the opposite of what happened!
 
glasgowspur said:
For me these "signs of progress" are only symbolic of how bad we've been of late.
This is still really poor.
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Yep, not a bad performance considering x caveat, and no win, that's our bar now.

Inconsistent ref (being fudging generous)
Xavi still improving
Palhinha is a brilliant player
Souza didn't look too out of place
Vic kept the scoreline down

Some of the old issues still there, discipline, zone 14, not managing players returning from injuries.
 
harr1984 said:
We've had a brick load of games to see what life without Romero is like already, this isn't his first suspension :D

I'm comfortable with selling him, we would get a good fee and we have solid defenders in Danso, Dragusin and potentially could look at the very talented Vuskovic. Sure Romero is good on the ball, but that's not enough to outweigh the rest of his game for me....
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Not sure about Dragusin. Has been poor in the last 2 games. A lot of that will be down to rustiness, but I thought their first goal was as cowardly an attempt to defend as I have seen from a defender.
 
harr1984 said:
I thought the idea of sacking the manager who actually managed to win us something to bring a new manager in was to improve our league form?

Now all the narrative ever is is one of 'Well we haven't been good for a while anyway'.....
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The decision to appoint TF if it doesn't work out is not evidence that it was wrong to sack Ange. We saw the same issues last season in the league. Ange was not good enough; beating teams in the EL doesn't prove he is. TF has also excelled against teams of the same level this season in the CL. We need a manager who can actually improve us in the PL as I don't think this team is as bad as we are showing.
 
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We might have lost anyway. But it seem like we were a match for them. Possibly another draw with a full compliment.

The positives - which have been developing for the last 15 games - is our build up play. Genuinely better than most teams at passing the ball around. Partly due to Xavi finding his rhythm. And Gallagher helps too. Idk why the lamenters think this fast moving passing style is ugly to watch.

The bits that need fixing are the critical areas at both ends of the pitch. We make mistakes in defence - Romero today. And could Vic have got to their first goal? The main issue is we have to do better getting the ball into the oppositions net.

I’ll take away the spells where we dominated possession and worked the ball through them with pace in the first 30, we looked the better side in spells.
 
SpurMeUp said:
We might have lost anyway. But it seem like we were a match for them. Possibly another draw with a full compliment.

The positives - which have been developing for the last 15 games - is our build up play. Genuinely better than most teams at passing the ball around. Partly due to Xavi finding his rhythm. And Gallagher helps too. Idk why the lamenters think this fast moving passing style is ugly to watch.

The bits that need fixing are the critical areas at both ends of the pitch. We make mistakes in defence - Romero today. And could Vic have got to their first goal? The main issue is we have to do better getting the ball into the oppositions net.

I’ll take away the spells where we dominated possession and worked the ball through them with pace in the first 30, we looked the better side in spells.
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First goal wasn't on Vic mate, it was on the team leaving that zone 14 open again.

The issue is regardless of if we were a match (and they didn't impress me that much), we got nothing out of it. We don't have a win in the PL in 2026, looking good for periods isn't enough.
 
I suspect that Casemiro and the Appeals Panel might not be so forgiving on Romero as what happened with Fernandes and Maddison when we visited OT last season…

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Fernandes: Even Maddison agreed it was 'never a red card'

Manchester United captain Bruno Fernandes said his dismissal against Tottenham was “never a red card” – and was even told so by Spurs midfielder James Maddison.
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Mikey10 said:
That was the aim. Made no sense to continue on after 18 months of poor PL form and terrible, naive performances. Hasn’t worked out as yet - and maybe it won’t. Doesn’t make the original decision any less correct though.
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All it says is that the club has no idea what it wants to be and even less of an idea of how to get there.

The solution (narrative) proposed by so many last season was that we just needed a pragmatist! Just someone to not be so open! Not invert the wingbacks. Pay attention to set pieces. Not injure all of our players!!

No real understanding of the issues, just a quick fix. We'll do it again, and this time it'll be even harder.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
I’ve seen it numerous times Steff and I’ve come to the same conclusion every time. Romero just can’t help himself when he has a chance to injure a Brazilian. I would have put money on it being Cunha rather than Colin Casemiro though.
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I, too, have watched it on many, many occasions and I actually cannot fathom how anyone who does not personally know for sure could gravitate to the same old cliche trope time and time again. Again, I ask, where is his foot going to go given that he's actually the one who has possession and is kicking the ball, and it is Casemiro who steps in to try and block it? Or are you telling me, seriously, that as he got away from the first challenge with the ball, his only thought was , "Great, I see a Brazillian coming so screw the ball I'm going to make sure I time my attempted pass so perfectly that I can also land one on him and hopefully injure him?" ALL in 3 seconds?
It's a yellow on any other player IMO. Because it's Romero, and because of Casemiro's writhing and rolling, it was never going to be anything else I suppose.

It hardly matters anymore.

This forum generally doesn't appreciate him.
He has a nasty narrative around him (players such as Caicedo and Joelinton get away with far worse regularly).
The club have fu-cked this up from weeks ago, when they should've got a hold and handle on him. In fact, I'd argue the club have fu-cked this up in a far wider way across the board than just their total inability to deal with a frustrated skipper. Frank was hung out to dry this week, for sure, and the club AGAIN avoided saying anything, instead leaving Frank to deal with it. I tell you this much, if Simon Feldstein was still doing the press duties for the manager, you'd never, ever see what's happening now.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
I think that's completely accurate....but often times Romero goes in with extra unnecessary force. It's part of his tough guy persona (which I'm happy with btw) and this type of tackle and a red is a negative consequence.

The self inflicted problem is that it peaks the officials interest, in that yes he passes the test that he got the ball and his foot was low BUT solely due to HIMSELF he fails the unnecessary force and endangering an opponent element
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So is it his body mechanics you're suggesting? His physical style? Because there is absolutely no way whatsover that incident was about mallice and intent. It's an interesting viewpoint, one which makes for good discussion. I think in this instance, the 'himself' bit is his reputation, and added to Casemiro's histrionics, and the ever-helpful Bruno Fernandes making sure to let the ref know what he thought of it, plus the Old Trafford effect and I think he's got what would be a yellow anywhere else.
 
thfcsteff said:
I, too, have watched it on many, many occasions and I actually cannot fathom how anyone who does not personally know for sure could gravitate to the same old cliche trope time and time again. Again, I ask, where is his foot going to go given that he's actually the one who has possession and is kicking the ball, and it is Casemiro who steps in to try and block it? Or are you telling me, seriously, that as he got away from the first challenge with the ball, his only thought was , "Great, I see a Brazillian coming so screw the ball I'm going to make sure I time my attempted pass so perfectly that I can also land one on him and hopefully injure him?" ALL in 3 seconds?
It's a yellow on any other player IMO. Because it's Romero, and because of Casemiro's writhing and rolling, it was never going to be anything else I suppose.

It hardly matters anymore.

This forum generally doesn't appreciate him.
He has a nasty narrative around him (players such as Caicedo and Joelinton get away with far worse regularly).
The club have fu-cked this up from weeks ago, when they should've got a hold and handle on him. In fact, I'd argue the club have fu-cked this up in a far wider way across the board than just their total inability to deal with a frustrated skipper. Frank was hung out to dry this week, for sure, and the club AGAIN avoided saying anything, instead leaving Frank to deal with it. I tell you this much, if Simon Feldstein was still doing the press duties for the manager, you'd never, ever see what's happening now.
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Steff, Romero himself has apologised to his teammates. Do you not think that in itself is damning? He’s basically admitted he deserved to be sent off. As I said in another post, if you don’t want referees to NOT give you the benefit of the doubt over tackles like that then don’t get a reputation for being a dirty player in the first place.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Steff, Romero himself has apologised to his teammates. Do you not think that in itself is damning? He’s basically admitted he deserved to be sent off. As I said in another post, if you don’t want referees to NOT give you the benefit of the doubt over tackles like that then don’t get a reputation for being a dirty player in the first place.
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I'm sorry that the referee sent me off is very different from I'm sorry I contested that ball. You can be regretful about the unfair consequence, as opposed to the action.
 
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