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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

braineclipse said:
We definitely don't in deep midfield.

To bring it back to a previous discussion we didn't really at times under Pochettino either. But we compensated for that with two really good ball playing centre backs, Eriksen, Kane etc.

Apologies if I spend too long reiterating points we're already in agreement on. By that I don't mean I will stop doing it though 😉
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That's right we never did under Poch BUT we had a player that could singlehandedly bully and snake hips around the entirety of the oppositions midfield. A press resistant beast. That's before you got to Wanyamas and Diers physical presence.

So although you wouldn't witness amazing passing from that area..it still allowed us to progress the ball forward and gave the opposition serious problems in the central areas. It also allowed us to raid down both sides with confidence (especially when Dier went thru his dropping in phase).

All different ways to skin a cat, and largely all depending on the type and level of player you have available to you.
 
braineclipse said:
We definitely don't in deep midfield.

To bring it back to a previous discussion we didn't really at times under Pochettino either. But we compensated for that with two really good ball playing centre backs, Eriksen, Kane etc.

Apologies if I spend too long reiterating points we're already in agreement on. By that I don't mean I will stop doing it though 😉
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No worries, keep doing so :-)

Poch did have two elite passers. You named them both :-)
 
Lemonade Money said:
Of course it impacts, its human nature ffs. Booing clams reap what they sow.
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Indeed. If I were a Spurs player and I got booed at half time there is no way I am coming to applaud fans at the end of the match whether we went on to win, draw or lose. My altitude would be if they can boo us players because they have paid money and therefore they have a divine right then they can Foxtrot Oscar.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
Indeed. If I were a Spurs player and I got booed at half time there is no way I am coming to applaud fans at the end of the match whether we went on to win, draw or lose. My altitude would be if they can boo us players because they have paid money and therefore they have a divine right then they can Foxtrot Oscar.
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I don't like booing. Think it doesn't help at all. But if you accept the cheers when you did well. You accept the boos when you did badly.
As a player you are an entertainer. It is what people are paying money for. They come to see you to feel that emotion. If you are not providing that then you are not doing your job. The fans show it by booing. It's down to you to do better or you will be replaced.
 
Lilbaz said:
I don't like booing. Think it doesn't help at all. But if you accept the cheers when you did well. You accept the boos when you did badly.
As a player you are an entertainer. It is what people are paying money for. They come to see you to feel that emotion. If you are not providing that then you are not doing your job. The fans show it by booing. It's down to you to do better or you will be replaced.
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My attitude is that if fans want to boo their own players that is on them. But if they then get panties twisted because the players do not applaud them at the end of a match then they should go fcuk themselves.
 
Personally, if I sit and watch a really talented player like Bentancur, with plenty of room and time to turn and pick a 10 yard pass forwards, with an easy enough option, but they don't even try that, they just pop it straight back to the centre back, who looks puzzled and gives it to the other CB who gives it to Bentancur and once again, Bentancur doesn't even angle his hips or turn his head to see what is available, he just bats it straight back to the CB, and the opposition start to cotton on that we are playing with fear, I find it hard not to grumble under my breath, then grumble louder, then say "turn, try to go forwards, there is an easy pass you aren't even looking to make", etc etc... that is what leads to boos. Players not even angling their bodies/heads/minds towards trying to go forwards. They just pop it back to the CB and trundle off to hide behind an opposition player. Does my head in.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
It is easy to applaud our boys when they play well. But I think it is when a team is playing poorly, when they are out of sorts that they need our support the most. Personally I think it is dumb to boo your own players. They get enough stick from opposing fans
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Good point about getting stick from oppo fans, and also booed by your own. A player is going to think fudge I'm on my own here, with no one supporting me. Spurs fans have lost touch with what supporting a team actually means.
 
Bullet said:
Personally, if I sit and watch a really talented player like Bentancur, with plenty of room and time to turn and pick a 10 yard pass forwards, with an easy enough option, but they don't even try that, they just pop it straight back to the centre back, who looks puzzled and gives it to the other CB who gives it to Bentancur and once again, Bentancur doesn't even angle his hips or turn his head to see what is available, he just bats it straight back to the CB, and the opposition start to cotton on that we are playing with fear, I find it hard not to grumble under my breath, then grumble louder, then say "turn, try to go forwards, there is an easy pass you aren't even looking to make", etc etc... that is what leads to boos. Players not even angling their bodies/heads/minds towards trying to go forwards. They just pop it back to the CB and trundle off to hide behind an opposition player. Does my head in.
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This reads like an admission at a meeting of Supporters Anonymous.
 
Well, the period just gone since the last international break was always going to be the hardest so far. Won't get much easier afterwards either...but i think first 11 games, Frank has made a solid start and done as well as any previous manager we've had in the PL in same circumstances.
He is unique in that in his first season he is having to juggle both league and CL.
Far less room for error, experimentation etc compared to if we had EL, which most of our new managers who start with us in the close season usually have.

It's a shame we switched off in that last minute vs Man Utd as that win could have been transformative for our season, more patience for Frank in the home games and more attacking confidence in the team as a whole.

Imagine if we nick a last-minute winner at the Death Star??
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I remember that...didn't he have one particular shocker of a game where he came off and looked distraught...almost in tears?
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I'm with Steff on this. For me, we had a great partnership and I would cite the 2016/17 as the best we ever saw it. It would have been OK to persist with it for a season or two longer but you simply can't keep 2 old guys together forever. You have to sacrifice one and find a younger partner for the other and prolong the older guy's career.

Best example of that is the Godin / Miranda partnership at AM. The manager then replaced Miranda with Giminez and took it to new levels. Ironically, that's why we probably got Toby. He couldn't break these partnerships after moving from Ajax and came to the PL. The rest is history.

It's also why we should enjoy the Romero / VDV partnership. These guys have another 3-4 seasons before we need to worry about age as an inhibitor for our captain.

I also agree about Dier as well. That 2016/17 season he had converted into the 3rd centre half. For me, that brought out the best in Toby centrally and Jan shifted more over to the left. That was frightening back 3. Dier was most guilty of being fit for selection whilst other players like Dembele, Wanyama and Winks couldn't make the weekly squad. In the end, Dier succumbed himself to the workload and he couldn't hit the levels that was within him.
 
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