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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Daisuk said:
I agree, but regardless of how I think about it, I feel it twitching in me like a bad addiction every time we fudge up or look to do so. It’s what the psychologists would call «learned helplessness», I think. I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: our club is suffering from a collective depression. The best way out of that is for the team to start performing, hopefully we’ll start by winning this cup. Then, we need to build on that, get a mental coach in (like the fighter pilot Bodø got in that turned everything around) - really build a new culture around what Ange just said there. Belief going into every game. We’re too much of an easy target for the media and our own fans now. The best way to start turning that around is by winning this trophy - which of course we can fudging do.
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Great post. Makes so much sense.

I guess where my head is at is that, in these narratives, Ange talks as if us fans and the club have the cultural issue but he doesn't. In reality though there is so much of Ange's job he does with a losing mentality in his own head. He doesn't do basic things like win at all costs. He doesn't seem to hate not getting clean sheets and he seems to just say to his players he'll take the heat if they play his way and mess up. That is NOT a winning mentality that you would have ever seen from a top line manager. I ask myself the question if we haven't got that winning culture at Ange's level, why would we have it anywhere else? Then the person that doesn't seem to have it in abundance is the one preaching at us about it. The irony.

I would advise Ange to stop worrying about this stuff and just double down on coaching his squad. Prove to us stakeholders that has has the ability, the attention to detail and the football management techniques to create a winning Spurs side. If we can get to the EL final, we will need every ounce of it as it will be against a PL team that have every piece of data possible on the way we play. Amorin and Utd will be totally prepped.
 
Mcfee said:
I agree with this but at the same time reflecting on Thursday night we put ourselves in a position to bury the tie there and then but instead we allowed Bodo a possibility of recovering. That’s not the fault of the media or the fans. It’s down to low standards on and off the pitch.
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We controlled the game and looked comfortable throughout it. Bodo scored from practically the only chance they had and even then it was onlu because of a deflection. If we had've gone gung-ho for a 4th and conceeded, the narrative would've been we can't control a game when ahead. We created enough chances as it was to win it 4-1 or 5-1. For once the team played pragmatically. Play to the same standard in the second leg and we'll go through.
 
DTA said:
You wanted the club to give him the infamous “vote of confidence”?

The Club has backed Ange more than they should have in my opinion.

The fact that he was under pressure is of his own making.

There is an argument that more than the Manager should be talking to the press, but that should be part of an overall forward thinking media strategy. Not just to take some pressure of a manager who has quite frankly shít the bed.
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No. I did NOT want that. I wanted them to back the whole DIRECTION laid out by the club and EXPLAIN that it was a club decision and not just the work of one man. Very different.
 
Yiddo said:
Here is a question

If we had played in the championship this season, where do you think we would have come realistically?
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Play offs
Attacking wise we'd destroy most teams, but we'd loose too many for automatic promotion because of the defensive set up - get ahead, close up shop = beating us
 
DTA said:
Club decision to do what? Shït the bed?
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Yeah I'm just not sure what a club statement is going to do right now. Everyone knows the club f***ed up and everyone now knows and accepts that the decision to appoint a vastly inexperienced (at this level) head coach and surround him with a vastly inexperienced (at this level) coaching team and then prioritise vastly inexperienced players in the market all at the same time has led to the current sh*t show.

Coming out and saying "yeah we f**ked up" probably makes Ange's position even more untenable particularly in eyes of players....
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Yeah to be fair he's all over the place at the moment. Goes from "it's all on me" to "it's all on them" in the space of 2 press conferences
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He set himself up for that from the start with his direct answers - and I respect that.
It's the same as his football - he is a one/two trick pony. What he does is very good at a high level, but not at the top level.

He's good when it's going well, but doesn't have the top level tools when it's going badly to make the requisite changes.
Most of us applauded his approach and hoped it would be a change against some of the unsavoury things needed to win at the top - that was naive of both us and him. You can't win without the dark arts and playing the game on and off the pitch. Controlling the narrative is very difficult, especially when things aren't going well and you aren't perpetual winners.
 
You and United are both through after tough seasons...

It's going to upset a lot of people isn't it! The debate's now raging, the latest one is that neither of us will be able to get a trophy if we win, they're just going to take a team photo because we're not worthy. I mean, who cares if we're struggling in the league? Why is that important? If it's so easy to get to a final, then why doesn't everyone who finishes in the top three do it? It's a separate thing. It's got nothing to do with league form. We understand our league form hasn't been great.

We understand the struggles we've had. A lot of them are because of the situation we've been in. But how that diminishes the achievement of getting to a final. Like I said, this club and others have finished in first, second or third in the Premier League, and haven't made finals. Why should that be diminished? I couldn't care less who's struggling and who's not. I think both us and Manchester United have earned the right to be there. I think we've probably beaten teams who will be in the Champions League next year, on our road to getting there. So looking forward to it, should be a great game.


United have constantly said that this competition won't save their season, would it save Tottenham's season or is it different?

Why do I care what Man United think? Why is that relevant to me. Ask the Manchester United manager why he said that. Me I've said all along that this is important.

To rephrase, what does it mean for Tottenham's season?

Well,. to be fair, you know better than me. You've followed this club for longer than I have. What do you think a trophy would do for this club?

I think it would be massive.

Exactly. That's exactly right. So the question answers itself, it doesn't need me to... but what’s happening now is people are fearing that. That it actually might happen and let's see how we can tear it down somehow and diminish it somehow by saying it's been a poor season and we don't deserve this or we don't deserve that.

Or somehow comparing us to Man United. Maybe if we had Man United’s success then maybe I’d have a different view. But I came into this role, you know better than me, I could have been sitting here at exactly the same time in fifth position and I can guarantee that the commentary around me 'well that's great Ange but this club needs to win something'.

That's exactly what everyone would be saying. So of course it’s massive. Of course it is, because you have to frame it against what this club has been through over the last 15 or 20 years and what the supporters have been through.

Man United have got their own journey to go on. Maybe if they go 15 years without winning something they'll change their perspective on things as well.
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Spot on......again...especially these two bits:

"what’s happening now is people are fearing that. That it actually might happen and let's see how we can tear it down somehow and diminish it somehow by saying it's been a poor season and we don't deserve this or we don't deserve that."

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"Or somehow comparing us to Man United. Maybe if we had Man United’s success then maybe I’d have a different view. But I came into this role, you know better than me, I could have been sitting here at exactly the same time in fifth position and I can guarantee that the commentary around me 'well that's great Ange but this club needs to win something'."
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