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*** Tottenham Hotspur v Nottingham Forest ***

SpurMeUp said:
Funny I could have sworn you wrote:



If we could defend well, do the simple things well, even playing Ange's system we'd be a decent side. For example, we barely contest throw ins. Other sides make it hard for us to get possession off of a throw in. We don't. Or...we are easy to get at down the flanks. We press - but with no regard to where we are leaving spaces. We don't press with any tactical awareness - trying to force the opposition to play into areas we want. We give away free headers, time and again.

None of this comes from committing men forward. We conceded form a corner today for example - how could that be related to the way we attack? In short, we are decent in possession, the 5th highest scorers in the league. Whilst committing men forward won't ever allow us to be Forest levels tight at the back, we could still eradicate half of the goals we concede with a better out of possession shape, and coaching.

Vic also didn't cover himself in glory tonight, two goals he might have saved.
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What i said in the posts you quoted do not contradict eachother.
 
billyiddo said:
What i said in the post you quoted does not contradict what I have said subsequently :s
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We'll be back.

The goons have a decent synthesis of Ange and Nuno. Where they falter is going to far towards Nuno possibly. At times too defensive. It is like Arteta started with Guardiola's blueprint (which is a better version of Ange's setup), and he tried to mix it with a low block - right idea imo. But the goons don't quite get the balance right thankfully.

If a manger can get both - attacking committal football - plus have the plyers sprint back and take up a strong block, I think it is possibly the most optimal setup. Ange in possession + Nuno out of possession.
 
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We started too slowly. Made mistakes and found ourselves two goals behind. That let Forest do what they like to do most, sit with low block and counter.
They kept a narrow defence and so any crosses we tried were easily dealt with. We had two wingers who tried hard but each have no consistent end product. It’s likely this will come over time but it’s not there yet.
So we huffed and puffed but Forest were happy with it as they were doing what they do best.
It was disappointing overall and I know most people don’t care about results in the league now but I do. I want us to win every match we play. That’s what we should be going out there with the intent to do. That’s if we want to be a serious club.
Oh well another match ticked off and on to another likely loss at Anfield next.
 
Here's the truth.
We will learn nothing new about what's gone wrong between now and the end of the season.
We're playing for two matches right now and hopefully a third.
We're balancing keeping players on the bubble of fitness versus trying playing some into form (like Deki).
The entire fudging club is in this float-state whereby we know we'll stay up, we know it has been an awful season resulkts-wise, we know all the issues which have got us here, and we also know that we are 180 minutes from a European Final.
These league games are going to be a tough outing if we don't understand that reality.
My biggest fear was phoning it in.
If anyone can genuinely say they felt we phoned it in tonight and fudged that game off, I'll call them a liar. We made stupid mistakes (haven't seen that this season), experienced some bad luck in front of goal (what a shock!) and missed a couple of absolute sitters (wow-wee shocker!)...
 
Mulletperm said:
These stats are pretty staggering.

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Forest have the lowest percentage of possession in the PL 39.9% and one of the lowest in PL history.

They have a way of playing this way and it's working for them.

We on the other hand have a manager who has made these two comments tonight.

"I thought we deserved to win"

"It's not easy have to rotate and be at the top of your game"

This from the man who said "When our injured players return, you will se a different Tottenham".

He's out of his depth, and by quite a way. I could go on, but we all know how this is going to end.
 
All this "we won the stats" is fool's gold. OK, Forest had 4 touches in the box. X2 of those touches were to put the ball in our net. How many of our 20 odd shots were comparative chances? One of those shots was Davies attempting an Erik Edman and another was Spence shanking one onto the corner flag.

Forest got their goals and were then happy to conserve energy for the rest of the match. Something we could have done with doing when we went 2-0 up at Brighton. We complain about the number of games there is to play in the modern game. Some managers deal with that reality in an effective way. Some think the answer is to make their players run around like headless chickens for 90+ minutes every game. The results (both in terms of actual results and injuries) are there for all to see.
 
Glad I decided to stick to highlights: I saved 80 minutes of my time! I don't know if it's been mentioned, but their goal should have stood, too. Who cares if Wood's left ball was offside? That's not the spirit of the game at all.

As for the rest, I commend the people who will follow the team for the last few games of the season, really. I don't have that kind of patience or blind faith. They should be entitled to a refund. I can't have a solid opinion on a game I didn't watch but from the highlights it looked like more of the same. Everybody knows this is a two-game (hopefully three) season now.

I don't know if the players are giving it their best shot or not. Oddly enough, I hope they don't because what I saw wasn't particularly impressive. I'll be as happy as the next guy when we win the Europa League, but I really can't wait for next August.
 
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