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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

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    Votes: 78 45.9%

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Finney Is Back said:
Indeed. Amorim is a very good manager but will need time, whether he will get that I'm not sure.

He was probably the right manager to bring to Spurs after sacking Conte, as the way he shapes the team and some of his principles are similar (not that I ever expect Spurs to have much in the way of succession planning).

The only time we lucked out on having some succession planning was when Levy thought he knew more than Arnesen about football and appointed Santini instead of Jol and we ended up being lucky that Arnesen managed to persuade Jol to take a coaching job instead. We ended up missing out on Europe by a point or two that first season after the bad start under Santini. Still - what did Arnesen know about football? :rolleyes:
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I met Arnesen during his time with us at a training session, and he was a really engaging and dynamic conversationalist. One thing he said which I never forgot was how he believed in signing up loads of young talent and (paraphrasing somewhat but not much here) 'throw them all at the wall and see which ones stick.' He was very excited as he said that. Of course, he would soon be stolen bny Chelsea for a (frankly) paltry 5 million fee compared to what he was actually worth to us at the time, and I suspect that is because he knew at Chelsea they'd let him get on with that policy. Interesting to note the deep roots he planted there with regards to that 'philosophy' and how we are right back at the 'youth recruitment' model (albeit not quite the same model as we are a bit more studied). In many ways we can look back at this era and ponder where we might've been had Arnesen not been poached, as Levy was onto this model and into it. Was that (in hindsight) the single biggest 'sliding doors' moment in our modern history?
 
Legohamster said:
His latest comments about not being prepared for the season is just another example of a man out of his depth.

Thought he had 26 years experience and didn't want to be called naive ?
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Honestly?
I wish the geezer would just lie, like virtually every manager in press conferences tends to do most of the time. It'd be easier on him and apparently, much easier on the experts in our fanbase.

(This next bit is a general comment and not specifically at your post mate)

It's gone far, far beyond whether we're having a bricky season or whether he is out of his depth. It's utterly, utterly personal with most of his critics now.
I'm so tired of it.
Look, he's pretty much done, right?
So would it really kill ANYONE to get behind the bloke for these final games, to hope for the best, to hope that he can pull off the miracle of a Europa League win? Which by the waym, should he do it would be an incredible achievement. Personally, I don't think it will happen, and I base that on the fact that we haven't won a European trophy since that wonderful night in 1984. Forty-two years ago.
I sadly believe there a few on here who IF his winning the Europa meant he'd stay would rather we lost. No judgement BTW, as I have NO moral high-ground in that regard - I was fine with Mourinho being sacked, and I still cannot accept who was 'manager' when we won the League Cup in '99.
 
thfcsteff said:
Honestly?
I wish the geezer would just lie, like virtually every manager in press conferences tends to do most of the time. It'd be easier on him and apparently, much easier on the experts in our fanbase.

(This next bit is a general comment and not specifically at your post mate)

It's gone far, far beyond whether we're having a bricky season or whether he is out of his depth. It's utterly, utterly personal with most of his critics now.
I'm so tired of it.
Look, he's pretty much done, right?
So would it really kill ANYONE to get behind the bloke for these final games, to hope for the best, to hope that he can pull off the miracle of a Europa League win? Which by the waym, should he do it would be an incredible achievement. Personally, I don't think it will happen, and I base that on the fact that we haven't won a European trophy since that wonderful night in 1984. Forty-two years ago.
I sadly believe there a few on here who IF his winning the Europa meant he'd stay would rather we lost. No judgement BTW, as I have NO moral high-ground in that regard - I was fine with Mourinho being sacked, and I still cannot accept who was 'manager' when we won the League Cup in '99.
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I think the basic point at the moment is that we'd have a FAR better shot of winning the EL if the squad could be galvanised and organised by a caretaker. It just makes no sense to keep flogging the dead horse
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think the basic point at the moment is that we'd have a FAR better shot of winning the EL if the squad could be galvanised and organised by a caretaker. It just makes no sense to keep flogging the dead horse
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I think the more basic point is that alleivating the constant drone of negativity would be of the most immediate benefit. A reminder; Ryan couldn't galvanise us when we were in a Final. What makes you think he can galvanise us to win the 5 games necessary for this trophy? Your hatred is getting in the way of logic IMO.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the more basic point is that alleivating the constant drone of negativity would be of the most immediate benefit. A reminder; Ryan couldn't galvanise us when we were in a Final. What makes you think he can galvanise us to win the 5 games necessary for this trophy? Your hatred is getting in the way of logic IMO.
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Mason was robbed in that final by an incompetent ref
 
Grays_1890 said:
But even in the last 20 years of self loathing, the biggest chances we had, that came in batches of finals and SFs was when we were performing well in the league, thats ultimately what my point is. 2014-2020 epsecially.

I am not for comparing us to City or Chelsea, I used them as an example of false logic of people saying cup wins lead to long periods of success, I mean for them they did but money played a bigger part.

I am for Spurs being Spurs and to say again for those at the back, I wanna win things, I just don't believe the odd cup win every 10 years proves a longer period of success, for me we can do and should aspire to perform well in the league and win the odd cup, not have to choose
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This is my take as well. I'd seriously rather see us winless but regularly competitive than win something just to fade back to obscurity. Flukes happen, but winning usually comes from being competitive. And being competitive brings excitement, even if it means not taking the final step. I genuinely enjoyed being one of the "Big 6" for a number of years more than winning a trophy the top clubs treat with moderate respect at best. Because we were real contenders, albeit far from favourites, not feeding ourselves lies like who needs someone like Ødegaard when we have Sissoko and Winks. I mean, Birmingham, Wigan and Swansea has won a domestic cup since we last won one. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to win a cup and it's an observation rather than an opinion, but there's no denying the league and even the FA cup has lost much of it's appeal now that CL is almost anything that matters. Even to a lot of players who doesn't necessarily deserve to be in it. Although far from preferable, being in a relegation battle is more exciting that the aimless water treading we're doing in the league right now. And nothing suggests that it will change anytime soon with this setup, the odd great half excepted. We can call Arsenal bottlers until the cows come home, but I'd swap positions in a heartbeat even if that meant forfeiting a league cup - if that was the only parameter.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the more basic point is that alleivating the constant drone of negativity would be of the most immediate benefit. A reminder; Ryan couldn't galvanise us when we were in a Final. What makes you think he can galvanise us to win the 5 games necessary for this trophy? Your hatred is getting in the way of logic IMO.
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We were significantly improved by Mason from our previous performances, and he had barely any time to turn things around. We are wasting ever day at the moment when we could be turning the ship back in the right direction
 
thfcsteff said:
Honestly?
I wish the geezer would just lie, like virtually every manager in press conferences tends to do most of the time. It'd be easier on him and apparently, much easier on the experts in our fanbase.

(This next bit is a general comment and not specifically at your post mate)

It's gone far, far beyond whether we're having a bricky season or whether he is out of his depth. It's utterly, utterly personal with most of his critics now.
I'm so tired of it.
Look, he's pretty much done, right?
So would it really kill ANYONE to get behind the bloke for these final games, to hope for the best, to hope that he can pull off the miracle of a Europa League win? Which by the waym, should he do it would be an incredible achievement. Personally, I don't think it will happen, and I base that on the fact that we haven't won a European trophy since that wonderful night in 1984. Forty-two years ago.
I sadly believe there a few on here who IF his winning the Europa meant he'd stay would rather we lost. No judgement BTW, as I have NO moral high-ground in that regard - I was fine with Mourinho being sacked, and I still cannot accept who was 'manager' when we won the League Cup in '99.
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I will be doing my bit this weekend. I am far from a fan of his and have struggled to be since his appointment.

I said I would not go to a game again while he was in charge, but, we will be there (traffic permitting) on Sunday and I will be getting behind him and the team
 
Finney Is Back said:
You might want to read my message again.... I had merely put the two of them in the same sentence to set a quality range with a lot of distance between the two players. I then said that IMO Lamela was closer in that range to Sinton than he was to Anderton.
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First Spurs shirt I bought had Anderton's name on it. The kid that still lives in me will never accept to see him described as 'decent', Sir (to be clear: it's a semi tongue-in-cheek comment - to each their own, but every time I see his name, I remember the enthusiasm I felt when I watched him as a teenager and defending him is my way to say 'thank you').
 
paxtonwolf said:
I will be doing my bit this weekend. I am far from a fan of his and have struggled to be since his appointment.

I said I would not go to a game again while he was in charge, but, we will be there (traffic permitting) on Sunday and I will be getting behind him and the team
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I've got to take my son there for his first competitive game. Took him to Bayern.

I even sold my ticket ages ago, and then had to purchase my brothers' two tickets so we can go

I'll get behind them as can't show my son negativity at his age, so will clap and cheer and not swear.

I want to make it a positive experience for him. I mean, it's Southampton, I thought we turned the corner when we played them away...
 
To be fair, there wasn't that much content in this controlled interview. The biggest theme was probably an implication that the scheduling of the players workload to manage the increased fixture list could have been different. At least, I think that was what he was getting at. I couldn't really tell whether he was talking about more player rotation or a less intense tactical approach or maybe both.

I did have a little chuckle at the multiple use of the word hindsight for the obvious reasons.

The most agreeable thing he said in that interview was about the quality of this playing squad. I'm actually in full agreement with him. Whether it is him or ANOther that picks this squad up, there has been a lot of good work done over the last 3 or 4 years.

I always thought Ange would be a plateau manager - he takes us as far as he can based on his own capabilities and then the club have to decide whether we find a higher plateau with another manager. It hasn't unfortunately worked out that way yet. Ange is running out of time to show us his plateau and I have a feeling he won't get that opportunity.
 
Mcfee said:
What??
My memory of it was we barely landed a punch. Players were hiding. We were terrible.
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They got a lucky goal from a player who should have been red carded
Joys of covid football
Laporte took out Moura IIRC in the first half then Kane and eventually got a yellow
Two were reds
Ref was awful
And yeah they battered us but we defended really well
 
Muttley said:
The biggest theme was probably an implication that the scheduling of the players workload to manage the increased fixture list could have been different. At least, I think that was what he was getting at. I couldn't really tell whether he was talking about more player rotation or a less intense tactical approach or maybe both.
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Agreed, and I'd like to direct a huge "I TOLD YOU SO" at those posters that disagreed with me when I said umpteen times at the start of the season that we needed to rotate more, and that players were being flogged until they broke.



And @thfcsteff please stop it with the Captain Hindsight nonsense, it is not hindsight.
Likewise on the pod when Milo said Ange was running Udogie and Porro into the ground and Djed hardly got a look in, you said that it was an intangible and couldn't be discussed because Djed later got injured, which is illogical: https://shows.acast.com/5ff4636ed6e3f1135f46f0cb/67e9c6ee5fb59eadfc74a682?seek=1470
 
Ange’s comments very likely included a stupid post-season trip to Perth, followed by a hectic trip around Japan and Korea in absolutely ridiculous heat, plus 2 intense matches against Bayern.

On the back of the Hong Kong announcement, I imagine some of it was directed to the business people who look at revenue before results.

(I say that knowing I was in Japan and Korea last year and I am planning to go to Hong Kong, so I am partly at fault.)
 
Mikey10 said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2er3ke2yjno

www.avonandsomerset.police.uk

Sentencing hearing rescheduled for woman who killed man in violent racist attack | Avon and Somerset Police

Christina Howell, 37, fatally stabbed Hubert “Isaac” Brown in September 2023 in St Paul’s, Bristol.
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www.belfastlive.co.uk

Man injured in 'prolonged' racist attack in Belfast

The victim attended hospital for treatment for injuries to his arm
www.belfastlive.co.uk www.belfastlive.co.uk
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Of course there are isolated incidents, there always will be. I would point out that it happens in reverse as well. There are plenty of places a white person wouldn't dare go after dark, Tottenham being one of them. The fact is you live in just about the most tolerant country in the world, it's time to stop moaning about a tiny minority and see the glass full.
 
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