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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 78 47.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 87 52.7%
  • Total voters
    165
thfcsteff said:
That was not the question (or even a question) I asked.

You have illustrated exactly what I was saying i.e. when challenged with a question/questions which don't comfortably fit your own worldview, you ignore or deflect.

Here are the questions I actually asked:

<<...perhaps you should be asking why so many upper level professionals at our club hired someone who, according to you, is 'amateur hour' with no interest in fundamental structures? Any thoughts? Or are they 'amateurs' too?>>
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You're 100% right on this. It's not Ange's fault he's Spurs head coach. It's not his fault that he's been allowed to continue until everyone's good will for this team is buried under a sea of deflation. It was a poor choice of appointment IMO due to the huge risks attached and it hasn't been a success and doesn't look like it's getting any better. That's on Lange/Munn/Levy.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
You're 100% right on this. It's not Ange's fault he's Spurs head coach. It's not his fault that he's been allowed to continue until everyone's good will for this team is buried under a sea of deflation. It was a poor choice of appointment IMO due to the huge risks attached and it hasn't been a success and doesn't look like it's getting any better. That's on Lange/Munn/Levy.
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I appreciate the reply, cheers.
 
afsoc4life said:
Refering to his nationality is unnecessary. If you call that sensitive, so be it. Some of the words used towards Ange on this forum has been disgusting.
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With all due respect to your right to feel disgusted (it's a tongue-in-cheek comment but seriously, I respect all opinions so, please, don't be offended), I think the exact same words were used towards Mourinho, Conte and Espirito Santo, to name but three recent managers. Hell, I remember arguing with people about calling George Graham a 'dinosaur' almost thirty years ago!

My beef with calling people names is that it's an easy way out. It allows you to pass judgement without thinking or analysing the situation. However, I never read them as racist or xenophobic.
 
afsoc4life said:
Refering to his nationality is unnecessary. If you call that sensitive, so be it. Some of the words used towards Ange on this forum has been disgusting.
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Just want to be clear here …

So if a player from Nigeria for example …

A) plays terribly and someone says what a brick Nigerian player we have … is racist

B) plays amazing and someone says what a fantastic Nigerian player we have … is not racist.

So he’s Nigerian when he is doing well but not allowed to be Nigerian when he is pants …
 
thfcsteff said:
I have used some foul language towards both for sure. I have never ever brought their nationalities into it, because it's irrelevant.
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Sure which is perfectly acceptable and the foul language is nothing to do with where they are from.

It’s like when fans say oh the Scots are crap at football …. What’s the difference
 
tommysvr said:
The fact you decided in November 2023 -- 3 months in!!!! - says a lot.
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Nov 23 is where the cracks were visible.
We started to see the naivety of his style and what he wanted.

Even that fabled first 10 games were good but not outstanding.

People enjoyed it as it was front foot football after a few years of guff.

There’s levels to this game. Ange is not up to this level.
 
Legohamster said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1900080202681659436

Harmless question that normally gets asked at this stage of a managers stint at a club and batted away.

Bad idea to go at the press, who have been relatively supportive
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Don’t see much wrong with that to be honest, he wasn’t rude or arrogant at all. Think the question was fair too. The answer back to Ange is “there aren’t many professions that are so results driven and even less where you get paid millions a year.”
 
DeanoAustin said:
Don’t see much wrong with that to be honest, he wasn’t rude or arrogant at all. Think the question was fair too. The answer back to Ange is “there aren’t many professions that are so results driven and even less where you get paid millions a year.”
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Yeah the question was fine, as was the response. We are and have been at the stage where anything Ange says is going to get twisted and used against him by those who just don't want him here.

Dont get me wrong there have been things he could have responded to in a different way (as could literally every other manager), but there are many things that he's done/said people have just whinged about for the sake of it.....
 
As it appears the pivotal argument is whether Ange and his methods have been hamstrung (;)) by the plague of injuries we have suffered, what is the point in continuing with said argument without the final piece of evidence being submitted ie a decent period of games with most of the squad available to him?
 
Gazza said:
Just want to be clear here …

So if a player from Nigeria for example …

A) plays terribly and someone says what a brick Nigerian player we have … is racist

B) plays amazing and someone says what a fantastic Nigerian player we have … is not racist.

So he’s Nigerian when he is doing well but not allowed to be Nigerian when he is pants …
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I’m not sure if that’s a serious question.

But yes if someone says “what a brick Nigerian player”

Then they are almost certainly bringing race into it as empathising the point he is brick.

When winks was getting pelted (mostly unfairly ) he wasn’t a brick English player was he? He was just a brick player (he actually wasn’t brick, just maybe not up to the standard we wanted)
 
Mikey10 said:
Like at the end of last season/beginning of this season?
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I agree that's a worry, as I was fully looking forward to the return of the injured players last season as I thought we'd start firing again and it was no more than a splutter and a stutter.

But nonetheless all seasons are different and injuries are probably double what they were last season. If you want to correlate the evidence across, by all means BUT given it's likely Ange will be here until the end of May...argue it out then with more (relative) evidence.
 
DTA said:
I’m not sure if that’s a serious question.

But yes if someone says “what a brick Nigerian player”

Then they are almost certainly bringing race into it as empathising the point he is brick.

When winks was getting pelted (mostly unfairly ) he wasn’t a brick English player was he? He was just a brick player (he actually wasn’t brick, just maybe not up to the standard we wanted)
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Surely you are backing my point here, it’s such a moot point. When heskey was playing for England people were saying he’s the worst English striker at the time or when maguire played for England he was known as the worst English defender … Kane plays for England he’s the best English player.

It’s so easy to bring race into everyday conversation without it being racist, but people see what they want to see. However I’m not discounting the fact that some people may use it as a dig but it’s not an absolute fact.

When Danjuma signed for us, some on the forum were proud of saying he’s the first Nigerian player to play us… surely he’s just another player who has signed in your point of view… can’t have it both ways.
 
I think the issue is that, race is never an issue until things are going wrong, then it'll be the first thing a selection of peope will latch onto.
As has been shown all over the country recently, the response given to the same acts, carried out by different groups are responded to, reported on and reacted to completely differently.
If you're from a minority living in this country, you are distinctly aware that when brick hits the fan, you are likely to get reduced to your difference, when what you have or haven't done is being critiqued.
Maguire being called slabhead is in no way comparable to Heskey being called monkey.

Look at the report into commentator bias with players with lighter skin more often praised for intelligence and power and pace referenced more often if player has darker skin. These opinons filter into everything that we do and for some of us are on the reciving end of.
 
fernadez said:
I think the issue is that, race is never an issue until things are going wrong, then it'll be the first thing a selection of peope will latch onto.
As has been shown all over the country recently, the response given to the same acts, carried out by different groups are responded to, reported on and reacted to completely differently.
If you're from a minority living in this country, you are distinctly aware that when brick hits the fan, you are likely to get reduced to your difference, when what you have or haven't done is being critiqued.
Maguire being called slabhead is in no way comparable to Heskey being called monkey.

Look at the report into commentator bias with players with lighter skin more often praised for intelligence and power and pace referenced more often if player has darker skin. These opinons filter into everything that we do and for some of us are on the reciving end of.
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That’s a massive generalisation and simply not true I’m sorry. That’s from being of ethnic background
 
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