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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Personally, I don't get the hating on Munn. He was a CEO in football in 2009 whilst has experience in other sports like athletics and rugby league. He has plenty of experience and I genuinely believe that he will be a game changer.

What you need to do is hear Munn himself explain his role:

“I look after everything that’s to do with football operations, so whether it’s the technical element through Johan Lange, who is our technical director, or women’s football or the academy led by Simon Davies, through to operations of the training centre.”

Or watch this....

Like most senior leaders he clearly has his layer of management below him that he has put in place. Ange, Lange, Davies and Vilahamn are reporting to him in some of the visible roles. No doubt others operational leaders as well that are important to the club, but less visible to the fans. People should think about how things like our loan execution is being transformed under Munn. The hiring of a guy like Andy Scoulding who is sits between our data science model and has oversight of every loanee from our academy. He makes sure all this performance data comes back in centrally and maintains the players relationships with the young lads at other clubs. Munn has clearly empowered Scoulding to rip those young guys out if the loan is working and re-place them elsewhere.

Munn hasn't even completed 2 years yet, even though he was in role for 10 years in Melbourne to build their successful model. Just like Paratici at Juventus who moved through multiple roles over about 11 years to do the same thing. Just like Fenway Sports Group. They bought Liverpool in 2010 and went through the same transformation. They built out all the roles and infrastructure required to be successful and eventually it happened a few years later. They had implemented the model in other sports and brought it to football. It was only afterwards that we started to realise that behind Klopp was this well oiled machine that someone like Munn built.

Personally, I think fans need to stop being sexy about Munn's role. They should really try to understand it more.

One man's opinion.
 
Muttley said:
Personally, I don't get the hating on Munn. He was a CEO in football in 2009 whilst has experience in other sports like athletics and rugby league. He has plenty of experience and I genuinely believe that he will be a game changer.

What you need to do is hear Munn himself explain his role:

“I look after everything that’s to do with football operations, so whether it’s the technical element through Johan Lange, who is our technical director, or women’s football or the academy led by Simon Davies, through to operations of the training centre.”

Or watch this....

Like most senior leaders he clearly has his layer of management below him that he has put in place. Ange, Lange, Davies and Vilahamn are reporting to him in some of the visible roles. No doubt others operational leaders as well that are important to the club, but less visible to the fans. People should think about how things like our loan execution is being transformed under Munn. The hiring of a guy like Andy Scoulding who is sits between our data science model and has oversight of every loanee from our academy. He makes sure all this performance data comes back in centrally and maintains the players relationships with the young lads at other clubs. Munn has clearly empowered Scoulding to rip those young guys out if the loan is working and re-place them elsewhere.

Munn hasn't even completed 2 years yet, even though he was in role for 10 years in Melbourne to build their successful model. Just like Paratici at Juventus who moved through multiple roles over about 11 years to do the same thing. Just like Fenway Sports Group. They bought Liverpool in 2010 and went through the same transformation. They built out all the roles and infrastructure required to be successful and eventually it happened a few years later. They had implemented the model in other sports and brought it to football. It was only afterwards that we started to realise that behind Klopp was this well oiled machine that someone like Munn built.

Personally, I think fans need to stop being sexy about Munn's role. They should really try to understand it more.

One man's opinion.
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Oh FFS!.....can't you be more dastardly.....muttley?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Oh FFS!.....can't you be more dastardly.....muttley?
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Sorry, and by the way this was genuinely not a dig at anyone especially our amazing podcasters who have spoken about Munn in less than a positive light.

I just wanted to challenge and disrupt everyone's thinking around this role. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again when it is not working. Levy has tried a bunch of different operational models over his 25 year tenure. The trophy cabinet informs us of the success of him running of ops.

I'm respecting Munn's leadership more and more. He knows he's built the model around Ange. He says himself that Ange is the most important person at the club. He knows he will have to recalibrate every operational model within the club if that position changes. I can therefore see the reluctance, but at the same time know that he might have to make that tough decision.

Munn talks about removing excuses as one of his key themes. That is what we talk about every day as well with Ange. Most believe that Ange has had very legitimate excuses not to perform in his role. Munn clearly does, but when Ange doesn't anymore then I can see him being ruthless where he needs to be. Hopefully Ange will be successful and prove people like me wrong.
 
Muttley said:
Sorry, and by the way this was genuinely not a dig at anyone especially our amazing podcasters who have spoken about Munn in less than a positive light.

I just wanted to challenge and disrupt everyone's thinking around this role. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again when it is not working. Levy has tried a bunch of different operational models over his 25 year tenure. The trophy cabinet informs us of the success of him running of ops.

I'm respecting Munn's leadership more and more. He knows he's built the model around Ange. He says himself that Ange is the most important person at the club. He knows he will have to recalibrate every operational model within the club if that position changes. I can therefore see the reluctance, but at the same time know that he might have to make that tough decision.

Munn talks about removing excuses as one of his key themes. That is what we talk about every day as well with Ange. Most believe that Ange has had very legitimate excuses not to perform in his role. Munn clearly does, but when Ange doesn't anymore then I can see him being ruthless where he needs to be. Hopefully Ange will be successful and prove people like me wrong.
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If Munn has set up a structure that relies on one person (which I don't believe he has) then there is an issue. The idea should be that we can get a manager with a similar philosophy as Ange (hopefully a bit more balanced between defence and attack), and we don't have to start from scratch every time there is a change of manager. We should be getting a manger that fits us, not changing everything to fit a new manager.
 
DubSpur said:
If Munn has set up a structure that relies on one person (which I don't believe he has) then there is an issue. The idea should be that we can get a manager with a similar philosophy as Ange (hopefully a bit more balanced between defence and attack), and we don't have to start from scratch every time there is a change of manager. We should be getting a manger that fits us, not changing everything to fit a new manager.
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I don't think he said that the structure relies on one person at all. It's more that Ange (as the point of the spear) relies on everyone else whether it is Andy Scoulding to get the loanee process working, Lange for the external recruitment or the club doctor for the wellness of his players. He is emphasising that the structure is calibrated around Ange. That is how the taxonomy works.

So if a new guy does come in, then those processes get recalibrated. Everything from the wellness coaches down to the loan execution to the external recruitment. If we follow your logic and it's a coach with a similar philosophy, it should be minor adjustments all round.

The key point I picked up when listening to him was about removing the excuses. Once you've done that you can really assess the performance of a manager, players, scout etc.
 
DubSpur said:
If Munn has set up a structure that relies on one person (which I don't believe he has) then there is an issue. The idea should be that we can get a manager with a similar philosophy as Ange (hopefully a bit more balanced between defence and attack), and we don't have to start from scratch every time there is a change of manager. We should be getting a manger that fits us, not changing everything to fit a new manager.
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Id imagine it's more so that for a manager to succeed the surrounding structure needs to be focused on what the he requires and they will be working towards that goal - probably talking tweaks to what is required rather than wholesale changes when appointing a new manager.
 
billyiddo said:
Id imagine it's more so that for a manager to succeed the surrounding structure needs to be focused on what the he requires and they will be working towards that goal - probably talking tweaks to what is required rather than wholesale changes when appointing a new manager.
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Yes. Get a manager in that fits the overall structure and approach well enough, then adjust somewhat to where the entire club has the required structure in place around the manager.

Still think Ange is a good fit...
 
Muttley said:
Sorry, and by the way this was genuinely not a dig at anyone especially our amazing podcasters who have spoken about Munn in less than a positive light.

I just wanted to challenge and disrupt everyone's thinking around this role. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again when it is not working. Levy has tried a bunch of different operational models over his 25 year tenure. The trophy cabinet informs us of the success of him running of ops.

I'm respecting Munn's leadership more and more. He knows he's built the model around Ange. He says himself that Ange is the most important person at the club. He knows he will have to recalibrate every operational model within the club if that position changes. I can therefore see the reluctance, but at the same time know that he might have to make that tough decision.

Munn talks about removing excuses as one of his key themes. That is what we talk about every day as well with Ange. Most believe that Ange has had very legitimate excuses not to perform in his role. Munn clearly does, but when Ange doesn't anymore then I can see him being ruthless where he needs to be. Hopefully Ange will be successful and prove people like me wrong.
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Don't apologise dude, for a well thought out constructive post. Keep on keeping on. 👍
 
Bullet said:
Scott Munn talks really well in that video; strange he isn't more visible in the Spurs output
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Now if I was a conspiracy theorist, I could be looking at the person on our leadership team that has control on our PR and comms. The same person who is Director of Women's football even though Women's football is part of Scott's remit. The person who often sits next to our Chairman. I'm not talking about Tracey either.

Is there perhaps one person at the club that may not want our chief football officer to have a public persona?

I am of course joking. I would never doubt for one minute the great work that Poch's favourite Spurs exec does for our club's football operations :cool:
 
Muttley said:
Personally, I don't get the hating on Munn. He was a CEO in football in 2009 whilst has experience in other sports like athletics and rugby league. He has plenty of experience and I genuinely believe that he will be a game changer.

What you need to do is hear Munn himself explain his role:

“I look after everything that’s to do with football operations, so whether it’s the technical element through Johan Lange, who is our technical director, or women’s football or the academy led by Simon Davies, through to operations of the training centre.”

Or watch this....

Like most senior leaders he clearly has his layer of management below him that he has put in place. Ange, Lange, Davies and Vilahamn are reporting to him in some of the visible roles. No doubt others operational leaders as well that are important to the club, but less visible to the fans. People should think about how things like our loan execution is being transformed under Munn. The hiring of a guy like Andy Scoulding who is sits between our data science model and has oversight of every loanee from our academy. He makes sure all this performance data comes back in centrally and maintains the players relationships with the young lads at other clubs. Munn has clearly empowered Scoulding to rip those young guys out if the loan is working and re-place them elsewhere.

Munn hasn't even completed 2 years yet, even though he was in role for 10 years in Melbourne to build their successful model. Just like Paratici at Juventus who moved through multiple roles over about 11 years to do the same thing. Just like Fenway Sports Group. They bought Liverpool in 2010 and went through the same transformation. They built out all the roles and infrastructure required to be successful and eventually it happened a few years later. They had implemented the model in other sports and brought it to football. It was only afterwards that we started to realise that behind Klopp was this well oiled machine that someone like Munn built.

Personally, I think fans need to stop being sexy about Munn's role. They should really try to understand it more.

One man's opinion.
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With respect @Muttley I don’t think there is anything earth shattering in that interview. The negativity around him mainly stems from the fact that he is associated with the appointment of Ange ( because of the crossover in their experience) which at the moment seems like a disastrous punt. But tbh he speaks like lots of other senior management in organisations. The proof will be in the pudding - will he oversee the success on the pitch the fans crave.
 
Robspur12 said:
With respect @Muttley I don’t think there is anything earth shattering in that interview. The negativity around him mainly stems from the fact that he is associated with the appointment of Ange ( because of the crossover in their experience) which at the moment seems like a disastrous punt. But tbh he speaks like lots of other senior management in organisations. The proof will be in the pudding - will he oversee the success on the pitch the fans crave.
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There is never anything earth shattering in any of these interviews. You just need to interpret and pick up the gold nuggets in them. I've watched many Spurs interviews over the years and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone talking this language. Least of all Levy who failed so miserably to paint any vision, let alone the execution. Fabio could paint the vision but was talking about a much narrower scope to Munn. Obviously a manager only talks about his 1st team remit.

The gold nugget was about the removing excuses and creating an environment where people can succeed (or fail). It is therefore implied that Munn doesn't yet feel that Ange has operated in an unencumbered environment yet where he can ultimately be judged. That might not sit well with some Spurs fans but it does give us an indication that our club are better structured than when they just shot from the hip with Nuno on both his hiring and firing.

I'd much rather operate in this environment as a fan than what we had before. Doesn't mean I'm Ange in, but I can see the logic for not firing him. If that impacts Munn's brand with the fans, then that is why he gets paid the big bucks. He can't do any worse than the prior guy anyway.
 
Muttley said:
There is never anything earth shattering in any of these interviews. You just need to interpret and pick up the gold nuggets in them. I've watched many Spurs interviews over the years and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone talking this language. Least of all Levy who failed so miserably to paint any vision, let alone the execution. Fabio could paint the vision but was talking about a much narrower scope to Munn. Obviously a manager only talks about his 1st team remit.

The gold nugget was about the removing excuses and creating an environment where people can succeed (or fail). It is therefore implied that Munn doesn't yet feel that Ange has operated in an unencumbered environment yet where he can ultimately be judged. That might not sit well with some Spurs fans but it does give us an indication that our club are better structured than when they just shot from the hip with Nuno on both his hiring and firing.

I'd much rather operate in this environment as a fan than what we had before. Doesn't mean I'm Ange in, but I can see the logic for not firing him. If that impacts Munn's brand with the fans, then that is why he gets paid the big bucks. He can't do any worse than the prior guy anyway.
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I don't think thats fair on Levy.

He's been clear for decades on the importance of improving the infrastructure, and he's done it.
 
Baleforce said:
I don't think thats fair on Levy.

He's been clear for decades on the importance of improving the infrastructure, and he's done it.
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I find him a challenged communicator. He is not meant to be in front of a TV camera or on a stage. Just not designed that way. He never has the words, and his tone is all wrong for me.

Levy can talk about physical infrastructure all day long. Stadia and training grounds. He has never been able to talk about the taxonomy of a football club in the way that Munn explains all of his moving pieces. I'm assuming that is why Levy hired him.
 
Muttley said:
I find him a challenged communicator. He is not meant to be in front of a TV camera or on a stage. Just not designed that way. He never has the words, and his tone is all wrong for me.

Levy can talk about physical infrastructure all day long. Stadia and training grounds. He has never been able to talk about the taxonomy of a football club in the way that Munn explains all of his moving pieces. I'm assuming that is why Levy hired him.
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You are correct, he struggles to communicate his vision. The fact that huge amounts of the fan base just think "he doesn't care" is a clear example. It's been reported well (I've had first hand communication) of the detail he personally invests in, for the club, stadium, etc. I've said it a 100 times, the Stadium is not the work of a club leadership that was focused on just the business or profiting (it's simply overbuilt, too good for that perspective).

Munn I expect is the result of many things, one, simply the growth of the business, the club that was, and could be run by a CEO and a couple of key people is long gone, there is a need to specialize and give people more autonomy to keep improving the structure and efficiency. He also I'd expect is meant to be the face of football operations, hence he'd probably be more in the media than Levy moving forward.
 
Baleforce said:
I don't think thats fair on Levy.

He's been clear for decades on the importance of improving the infrastructure, and he's done it.
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And to his credit he has gone right ahead and created the infrastrcure.

He has backed his words with actions.

He had us on the rise for years. Made a lot of wrong calls but a ton of correct ones too.

Personally.... having delivered on the infrasturcure side I struggle to see how having someone business inclined is something valuable to us anymore.

Now with the stadium and training ground what more can he offer?

As a lot have said... he hasn't even delivered on a stadium sponosrship. That was one of the cornerstone reasons why he said we needed a new stadium to begin with.
 
@Muttley @ricky2tricky4city

Let me clarify.
I did not say I 'hated' Munn.
What I said/suggested was that IF people are going to judge Ange Postecoglu based on his football lineage, then by using THAT metric, those SAME people should be questioning Scott Munn. That's all.

For the record, and in full transparency, the person on the pod who has asked the most questions about Munn has been me. No-one else. And my questions are always based on whether the structure which has been put in place is genuine or simply another layer of protection for Levy. The truth is, no-one will know until we know (if that makes sense). Right now, it appears that there is enough confidence in the model which has been built and established, and right now, unless Ange wins the Europa League, I think it is safe to assume that the next manager will br brought in to replace Ange and continue to progress the model which has been scoped/shaped out in terms of a very young, very talented squad growing together.
 
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