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***TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Leeds OMT***

Muttley said:
We should threaten John Brooks with legal action :tearsofjoy:

I know I jest but I can see a scenario where Howard Webb's team are questioned more than ever before. I can see an extraordinary general meeting being called at the PL level soon, with the 20 clubs involved, and the standard of PL refereeing being discussed. Personally, I think Webb should fall on his sword at this point. Clubs like Spurs should be putting public statements of no confidence in PGMOL / Pro Ref so the entire world can see the discontent. There is absolutely no point being the nice guys anymore with the refereeing.

I have never watched a game with John Brooks in charge that has gone well. He loses control of the game pretty mich every time. We really need to understand why a country wide search of officials at all steps of the game is not bringing us elite referees.
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Not against it. It just seems like there’s something every week now too. Most clubs should be annoyed at the standard and the lack of consistency. Thiago getting sent off at Brighton today is another one where I feel common sense needs to be applied, rather than deciding to effectively ruin the tie by taking ‘the letter of the law’ within an inch of its life.

At what point do people just tune out? Between this and the City stuff I already have the feeling that it’s all a bit pointless. And so much of it swings on luck, money, or one person’s weird interpretation of the rules.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Not against it. It just seems like there’s something every week now too. Most clubs should be annoyed at the standard and the lack of consistency. Thiago getting sent off at Brighton today is another one where I feel common sense needs to be applied, rather than deciding to effectively ruin the tie by taking ‘the letter of the law’ within an inch of its life.

At what point do people just tune out? Between this and the City stuff I already have the feeling that it’s all a bit pointless. And so much of it swings on luck, money, or one person’s weird interpretation of the rules.
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But the problem is it doesn't, the Scum, United & Pool get a lot of decisions in their favor. And the media drives that, earlier in the season the ref made a mistake for United, the game was barely fudging done and they had an apology from PMGOL.

Spurs gets a brick decision and the media/PMGOL goes into overdrive to back the ref, to make some fudging idiot interpretation (tackle was slow).

RDZ being suspended for yellow cards, Arteta out his box all the fudging time, Glasner ran the length of the pitch yesterday and nothing .. Consistency is a huge part of the problem, but look at that 4 minutes of VAR review for the tackle on Tel, it's 2 guys looking for a reason not to give that to Spurs .. that is either corruption or some kind of conscious/unconscious bias against Spurs
 
Mikey10 said:
It’s a huge part of the jigsaw puzzle of rebuilding the squad; it is a disgrace that we didn’t get it in place early in the summer. That needs to be righted on Day 1 of the January window.
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I'm down with covid so could just be delirious, didn't well sell each of our top scorers in successive transfer windows? It is not just failing to sign a quality up front, but also no consistency with injuries and selling players.
 
Refereeing aside, I expected us to really go and attack. Hell, had we gone to play for a point, we have enough midfielders to play a wall of five across the park. A good opportunity to let LWB loose from the start and play Marmoush a bit deeper to allow Solanke in the 9. We came with momentum and confidence. It was a strong looking bench, that could have turned a game but we had to respond to the Tel incident but it just didn't feel positive enough.
 
I think we've had some pretty good days up at Elland Road over the last few seasons. I just felt RDZ adjusted too much for them. And that continued with the subs. The improved passing, movement, and cohesiveness we have been witnessing, suffered because of that.

I didn't think Leeds were particularly special and in fact, never tested them to see how good they were.

It was a bit of a brick game tbh. (and not just because of the result) The game I then went to watch for my local side I would honestly say was better. (Although I was10 mins late because of our game, and already missed two goals:()
 
Bishop said:
My stance is I don't actually think a challenge like that is a red, but it's clearly at the very least a yellow. To give nothing is crazy and considering the standard of what constitutes a red these days if the ref had been sent to the screen he would have 100% sent him off.

Again I don't really think those sort of challenges are reds, I didn't think it when Xavi got sent off, I didn't really think it was for Mateta last week or Bogle yesterday but to give not even a yellow is disgraceful and again by the standards of today that is typically given as a red.
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I honestly think the ref didn't see it. (TBF I didn't, on first watch, see what was going on with Bogles left foot) I think naturally he was looking at the lunging in with the right foot as that was the natural place to think Bogle is making a play on the ball.

And the 'no card' initially is based on that alone.
Once the VAR have got involved, they are able to see everything (a good thing, one would think). But no, we aren't now going to allow the onfield ref to see everything. We are just going to chat about it for 4 mins. fudging senseless.
I think this is a result of the stupid pattern that developed that if you're sent to the monitor, you'll have to agree with what the VAR ref is saying.
Surely why is, going to the monitor, and while watching, having your all inclusive fudging chinwag about it, is that not better?, is beyond me. The whole point and supposed advantage of VAR is we can all see what actually happened AGAIN!, and that should equal arriving at correct decisions. I don't give a fudge about vanity, undermining someone or effing ref world egos.

I really want to hear the audio from this one, as I'm sure Brooks didn't see the left foot tread on Tels ankle.

(As a side point: could he then not give a yellow because var can't recommend changing the original decision to a yellow, only reds?)
 
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Kandi1977 said:
Ehhh, no. The laws of the game apply to the actions, not consequences. A injury can occur from the softest of contract. Doesn't mean it should be a red card!
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Yeah we can't starting giving cards because a player for injured. Sometimes injuries occur from the most innocuous of challenges and sometimes something straight red worthy just causes a bruise.
 
VAR can't send a ref to the screen to recommend a booking.
But if they send him for a red card check, isn't he allowed to decide to issue a yellow upon watching it again if he thinks it's not meriting a sending off but worthy of a booking?
 
Kandi1977 said:
Ehhh, no. The laws of the game apply to the actions, not consequences. A injury can occur from the softest of contract. Doesn't mean it should be a red card!
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This really bugged me about Son getting sent off at Everton. I feel like they only upgraded it to red once they realised the seriousness of the injury to Gomes.
 
Kandi1977 said:
Ehhh, no. The laws of the game apply to the actions, not consequences. A injury can occur from the softest of contract. Doesn't mean it should be a red card!
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Struggling with this point of view. You don’t score a goal by the action of shooting it’s the consequences of it going into the net.
 
robp135 said:
You’ve jumped to an extreme.

You can be confident without being arrogant and delusional. You can have a laugh at yourself without being self deprecating.
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I agree. I think Spurs fans aren't arrogant or delusional and CAN laugh at ourselves without being self-deprecating as you say...

robp135 said:
Terms like “Spusry” which actually meant something completley different 10 years ago, got bastardised by rival fans and media and the fanbase has now adopted it. It’s absolutely rubbed off on the players as well. Dozens of interviews with players show that,
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Spurzy is a term related to "often grabbing a loss from the jaws of victory". Something we are prone to do and have been such for decades. It shows that we can laugh at ourselves as mentioned above that we cab run with such a term.

You'll have to show this evidence that it 'rubs off on our players' as that to me sounds like some players are just fetching excuses for their failures, though i'm very happy to be proven wrong on this (i'd certainly feel so, if, say Harry Kane or Gareth Bale have highlighted this as an issue)
 
I knew it would be a tough game; shame we couldn't keep the clean sheet.
Didn't see the second half and it's slightly worrying that it was Leeds who upped their efforts instead of the other way round..

Oh well, at least it stops some of the delusion i saw online before this match about the games we have coming up before the NLD..
 
glorygloryeze said:
I knew it would be a tough game; shame we couldn't keep the clean sheet.
Didn't see the second half and it's slightly worrying that it was Leeds who upped their efforts instead of the other way round..

Oh well, at least it stops some of the delusion i saw online before this match about the games we have coming up before the NLD..
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We lost balance once Tel went off. Deki isn't at a fitness to influence these types of games and Solanke was awful, that mix alone was enough to tip a highly physical game away from us. RDZ got it wrong.

Upside is we didn't lose our heads, we did reasonably well with their pressure.

Bad day at the office, it happens, keeps us in check, reminds everyone there is a lot of work to do from being the 17th place side of last two years to where we want to be.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Spurzy is a term related to "often grabbing a loss from the jaws of victory". Something we are prone to do and have been such for decades. It shows that we can laugh at ourselves as mentioned above that we cab run with such a term.
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That’s not what the term originally meant though.
 
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