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American politics

MartyFunkhouser said:
Act of a man who might not leave the white house?

Worrying optics for the US IMO
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He won’t leave without a fight, unless he's dead (he's an old man after all, and not exactly fit either). Wonder how things will pan out, firstly if the democrats take the house and even the senate, and then if they win the presidency in two years time. I would not be surprised if he tried to use ICE as his own private army to in order to stay in power.
 
She said the quiet part out loud.

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robp135 said:
She said the quiet part out loud.

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That the GOP are cheating with voter purges? They are not exactly keeping it quiet. I could post links to one hundred stories about it.

Heres one from today
 
Effectively, the next president of the US, in all likelihood. Vance's pimp.

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robp135 said:
Good policy.

www.yahoo.com

Trump Administration Could Limit Your Access To Federal Student Loans, If Your Degree Doesn’t Earn Enough

The Trump Administration’s crackdown on college majors continues.
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It is, frankly, an APPALLING policy which has little interest in offering people a 'return on the investment of education' more than it has a keen and avid interest in decimating vital and important cultural and health-based ingredients in society.
Here's MY thought on what might be a 'good policy'. How about making sure that careers in the programs/areas reportedly targeted get a major overhaul and offer HIGHER WAGES? How about society is guided back onto a path where the arts and mental health work are seen as VALUABLE instead of further decimated and rendered 'unimportant' by an admin which clearly does NOT value such important stations in society?

Here's a list of the proposed targets as guessed by the LA Times (from Rob's link above).

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Los Angeles Times also shares the rule would likely impact the following:

  • social workers
  • artists
  • teacher aides
  • barbers
  • nail technicians
In addition, music, drama, cosmetology, massage therapy, and fine arts programs are projected to have higher failure rates because they reportedly "earn too little." This also applies to mental and social health master's programs, while mental and social health undergraduate programs are expected to have lower failure rates, the Los Angeles Times reports.>>

I'll say it again, we need to value a society which still has writers and artists regardless of how much money they make, because their contributions to society are so much greater (and again, IMO, should be valued so much more). As for mental and social health programs, come on, is this even a discussion?)...
 
thfcsteff said:
It is, frankly, an APPALLING policy which has little interest in offering people a 'return on the investment of education' more than it has a keen and avid interest in decimating vital and important cultural and health-based ingredients in society.
Here's MY thought on what might be a 'good policy'. How about making sure that careers in the programs/areas reportedly targeted get a major overhaul and offer HIGHER WAGES? How about society is guided back onto a path where the arts and mental health work are seen as VALUABLE instead of further decimated and rendered 'unimportant' by an admin which clearly does NOT value such important stations in society?

Here's a list of the proposed targets as guessed by the LA Times (from Rob's link above).

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Los Angeles Times also shares the rule would likely impact the following:

  • social workers
  • artists
  • teacher aides
  • barbers
  • nail technicians
In addition, music, drama, cosmetology, massage therapy, and fine arts programs are projected to have higher failure rates because they reportedly "earn too little." This also applies to mental and social health master's programs, while mental and social health undergraduate programs are expected to have lower failure rates, the Los Angeles Times reports.>>

I'll say it again, we need to value a society which still has writers and artists regardless of how much money they make, because their contributions to society are so much greater (and again, IMO, should be valued so much more). As for mental and social health programs, come on, is this even a discussion?)...
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It’s quite a jump to go from these professions should no longer recieve unlimited federal financing for every graduate program to them being unimportant. Tellling people that a career is socially valuable doesn't make the economic consequences disappear.

These professions can produce enormous value but they are still leaving the graduates with relatively low earnings and substantial student debt. Those students ultimately have to live with that debt and many will never pay it off. That leads to to a lower standard of living, which further undermines the value they bring.

The financial barrier to entry will become lower for these roles. Where loans are required will no longer be backed by the federal government. Which means they can be refinanced or worst class can be resolved in bankruptcy. Which is not avalible to those who recieve federally back student loans.
 
robp135 said:
It’s quite a jump to go from these professions should no longer recieve unlimited federal financing for every graduate program to them being unimportant. Tellling people that a career is socially valuable doesn't make the economic consequences disappear.
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Many people who look for a life in the arts understand this. Why doesn't society do more to mitigate the economic side of the issue? Because most people DGAF. Sadly. In these times. 'Importance' in these situations is also further supported with fiscal actions; they'll tell you an awful lot about how deep the appreciation is.


robp135 said:
These professions can produce enormous value but they are still leaving the graduates with relatively low earnings and substantial student debt. Those students ultimately have to live with that debt and many will never pay it off. That leads to to a lower standard of living, which further undermines the value they bring.
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Yes. I understand. No need to mansplain yet again :-)...
What I am suggesting is that there should be another approach to the issues.


robp135 said:
The financial barrier to entry will become lower for these roles. Where loans are required will no longer be backed by the federal government. Which means they can be refinanced or worst class can be resolved in bankruptcy. Which is not avalible to those who recieve federally back student loans.
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I could not disagree with what appears to be your perspective on this matter more.
Capped off by your thought that 'or worst case can be resolved in bankruptcy'. My word. How fortunate for them!

Again, I wish society valued these professions more, and I wish society valued working-class people who want to further educate themselves more. Starting with a far greater level of federal relief both for student loans and student debt. In fact, how about helping to further underwrite those student costs? I know the reason; most people DGAF because increasingly, they don't see the 'value' in those careers.

Agree to disagree?
 
thfcsteff said:
Many people who look for a life in the arts understand this. Why doesn't society do more to mitigate the economic side of the issue? Because most people DGAF. Sadly. In these times. 'Importance' in these situations is also further supported with fiscal actions; they'll tell you an awful lot about how deep the appreciation is.




Yes. I understand. No need to mansplain yet again :-)...
What I am suggesting is that there should be another approach to the issues.




I could not disagree with what appears to be your perspective on this matter more.
Capped off by your thought that 'or worst case can be resolved in bankruptcy'. My word. How fortunate for them!

Again, I wish society valued these professions more, and I wish society valued working-class people who want to further educate themselves more. Starting with a far greater level of federal relief both for student loans and student debt. In fact, how about helping to further underwrite those student costs? I know the reason; most people DGAF because increasingly, they don't see the 'value' in those careers.

Agree to disagree?
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You may have misconstrued my reference to bankruptcy as I meant to say worse case*.

It’s one of the biggest critiques of the student debt crisis. Bankruptcy alone is a better option than bankruptcy + you keep the student debt and have to pay it off when trying to rebuild your life from the bottom up.

We should look to other industries that do a far better job as both offsetting and having a lower barrier to entry to become qualified. Especially in relation to the eventual earning potential. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC techs. Your talking about £10k to be qualified and most of the time that cost of subsidised by an employer. But a social worker needs a 4 year degree plus a masters to make 1/3 of the salary. Makes no sense.

I support debt relief across the board for people with the most amount of debt relative to their income level. It would be a massive economic boom as well.

But not a blanket student debt relief as the bulk is held by people with PHD & Masters degrees who can afford the repayments based on their salary, which is in part due to their level of education.

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