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MartyFunkhouser said:
Because the age when children receive the MMR is also the age when some children generally regress into autism, so there will be a temporal relationship. But there is no proof other than a theory on timing relationship that vaccines cause these issues.

I feel for your wife and her story, and for the kid, but that story alone isn't scientific, thats not a dig BTW, thats just reality.
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That would not explain a sudden and sharp regression.
 
thfcsteff said:
What I am suggesting is that the overall sample-size for children who have been vaccinated and avoided any complications is pretty huge. That has to count for something, and suggests to me that in the cases of children who have been harmed by them, it is also related to other factors perhaps?
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I’ve never said vaccines should be banned. I’ve never said all vaccines cause Autism or that it’s the main factor. I’ve never said that vaccine injuries happen at a high percentage or even that Autism is the most common vaccine injury.

What I object to is the line of “Vaccines do not cause Autism” or any other issue.

Yes you can look at VAERS and see most reports go nowhere. But they have paid out $5.2B in over 10,000 cases since 1988. So over 250 cases a year with an average payout of over $500k in civil cases where the burden of proof would be on the injured to prove the vaccine was the cause.

My arguement has always been that we should want to understand why those 10,000+ serious injuries have courier and know he it could have been avoided. Until we know, people should have the right to bodily autonomy and be able to refuse vaccination for themselves or their children.
 
robp135 said:
I’ve never said vaccines should be banned. I’ve never said all vaccines cause Autism or that it’s the main factor. I’ve never said that vaccine injuries happen at a high percentage or even that Autism is the most common vaccine injury.

What I object to is the line of “Vaccines do not cause Autism” or any other issue.

Yes you can look at VAERS and see most reports go nowhere. But they have paid out $5.2B in over 10,000 cases since 1988. So over 250 cases a year with an average payout of over $500k in civil cases where the burden of proof would be on the injured to prove the vaccine was the cause.

My arguement has always been that we should want to understand why those 10,000+ serious injuries have courier and know he it could have been avoided. Until we know, people should have the right to bodily autonomy and be able to refuse vaccination for themselves or their children.
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I am unaware of anywhere where I have suggested you have said anything of the sort?

I am always, always in favour of research and education in these matters.
Unfortunately, it does not appear the current administration or Health czar agree with that. We are on the precipice of disaster in that regard. I think THAT is an enormous issue. Enormous.
 
thfcsteff said:
I am unaware of anywhere where I have suggested you have said anything of the sort?

I am always, always in favour of research and education in these matters.
Unfortunately, it does not appear the current administration or Health czar agree with that. We are on the precipice of disaster in that regard. I think THAT is an enormous issue. Enormous.
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That’s what is implied by talking about overall sample-size.

In what way does RFK want less research?
 
robp135 said:
.Yes you can look at VAERS and see most reports go nowhere. But they have paid out $5.2B in over 10,000 cases since 1988. So over 250 cases a year with an average payout of over $500k in civil cases where the burden of proof would be on the injured to prove the vaccine was the cause.
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I had a look at their latest report and its interesting because the main "injury" being reported is an allergic reaction.

There is also a VAERS statement "60% of all compensation awarded by the VICP comes as result of a negotiated settlement between the parties in which HHS has not concluded, based upon review of the evidence, that the alleged vaccine(s) caused the alleged injury"
 
I know Rob won't discuss with me, but using emotionally driven anecdotes to prove soemthing the world's brightest and best scientists can not see is empirically a terrible way to make decisions which help kids live healthier and longer.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I had a look at their latest report and its interesting because the main "injury" being reported is an allergic reaction.

There is also a VAERS statement "60% of all compensation awarded by the VICP comes as result of a negotiated settlement between the parties in which HHS has not concluded, based upon review of the evidence, that the alleged vaccine(s) caused the alleged injury"
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Allergic reactions in many instances can be pretty severe.

That’s a lower settlement rate than most civil cases.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Yeh and I get that, but allergic reactions are not Autism, so the stats need to be delved into to break all this stuff down.

The point being there is more to the stats that the top level stuff you posted is all
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Just to be clear. You asked me about Autism. I’ve never claimed it to be the most common side effect caused from a vaccine injury.
 
robp135 said:
Just to be clear. You asked me about Autism. I’ve never claimed it to be the most common side effect caused from a vaccine injury.
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Of course but I think the facts and convos and all have been conflated some what. I am just pointing out some of the context around those figures you posted which could be misconstrued as payouts for vaccine links to Autism.
 
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