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monkeybarry said:
What will be very interesting is how Reform supporters become interested in the Greens over the next few years.
A core part of the Brexit vote and following UKIP, Reform etc is a call for an improvement in life and a change to the Status Quo.

Greens (5) and Reform (8) have similar number of MPs now.

The narrative will now look at the Greens in the same way it did Farage Inc a few years ago.
The Greens need to make sure they have they're ducks in a row about policy substance.

The Lib Dems should be very worried.
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A historic issue with the Greens is that they don't have a tradition of authoritarian leadership and they actively encourage being a broad church internally. So they are both very anti-EU (e.g. Jenny Jones) and very pro-EU. They are both very pro-Trans and also a bit TERF-y. The idea of party discipline is a bit alien to them. So that respectful disagreement could be quite refreshing for voters to see, but it will likely cause them issues too.
 
The Greens took a leaf from the Mamdani campaign playbook and executed it perfectly. The candidate, the campaign, and the canvassing were all good. The social media was excellent.

And Matt Goodwin being handed his ass on a plate is truly glorious. I met him when he was a one nation Tory type academic, his dissent in to bigotry and hatred has been shocking to see.
 
Gutter Boy said:
A historic issue with the Greens is that they don't have a tradition of authoritarian leadership and they actively encourage being a broad church internally. So they are both very anti-EU (e.g. Jenny Jones) and very pro-EU. They are both very pro-Trans and also a bit TERF-y. The idea of party discipline is a bit alien to them. So that respectful disagreement could be quite refreshing for voters to see, but it will likely cause them issues too.
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It also broadens some appeal though, a party that debates issues and doesn't post the mast just because. I mean they are not my cuppa tea, but I can see it
 
Gutter Boy said:
A historic issue with the Greens is that they don't have a tradition of authoritarian leadership and they actively encourage being a broad church internally. So they are both very anti-EU (e.g. Jenny Jones) and very pro-EU. They are both very pro-Trans and also a bit TERF-y. The idea of party discipline is a bit alien to them. So that respectful disagreement could be quite refreshing for voters to see, but it will likely cause them issues too.
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Polanski is quite happy to talk to everyone and anyone about anything. He might have to reign that in a little tbh.

He speaks well BUT more importantly he is genuinely listening (a dying art). Like Hannah Spencer said 'im just a normal person ' and Polanski comes across like that as well.

Whether that cuts it in the world of drama filled personality politics...who knows?,
We get 'talked at' or 'talk past' far too much in the political theatre .... but it might just resonate if someone/a party continually breaks the fourth wall and lives on the same level of it's audience
 
Gutter Boy said:
A historic issue with the Greens is that they don't have a tradition of authoritarian leadership and they actively encourage being a broad church internally. So they are both very anti-EU (e.g. Jenny Jones) and very pro-EU. They are both very pro-Trans and also a bit TERF-y. The idea of party discipline is a bit alien to them. So that respectful disagreement could be quite refreshing for voters to see, but it will likely cause them issues too.
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They are very much pro-EU now.
 
LutonSpurs said:
And Matt Goodwin being handed his ass on a plate is truly glorious. I met him when he was a one nation Tory type academic, his dissent in to bigotry and hatred has been shocking to see.
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Rorschach said:
They are very much pro-EU now.
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Well their House of Lords vote is 100% anti-EU. Their most recent policy to withdraw from the EU was about 2009. They hate the Common Agricultural and Common Fisheries Policies with a passion. They also demand the EU’s Association Agreement with Israel be suspended. They are not natural bedfellows.
 
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