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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

MartyFunkhouser said:
Im well behind the news, is it looking grim for him? I cant be arsed to trawl it all
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I'm hoping there's a bit more to this than just collaring Andrew and Mandleson.....a ground zero of sorts...get some of the scum into a court of law and let's start peeling back the onion.

The DOJ is just puppeted by Trump...so any progress/leverage that side of the pond is a pipe dream.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They have arrested a couple for public office offences. Nobody for noncing. I've got little faith in the powerful being held to account in any way on this.
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Neither do I. But if something IS gonna happen it's got to start somewhere.

Two problems for the elites that want to keep a lid on this.
1. Andrew is a massive loose cannon
2. Everyone can see what the Epstein class were doing on multiple levels and layers....the bricker life gets for the general class, the anger of 'us vs them' increases. That can be directly weaponised or politically weaponised.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I don't even think this was tactical voting.

A straight up vote.

And it's obvious what resonates with this candidate and her party leader, even if you don't align completely with every one of their policies.
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Agree. Tactical voting would have seen a much bigger swing from Labour to Green (once it was clear that the Greens were the leading progressive candidate). It was actually the lack of tactical voting that nearly gifted to Reform.

In a GE, if the context was as it is now (Labour's unpopularity), the thing that would need to happen would be Labour focus all it's resources on the east coast towns where Reform are strong, whilst leaving the metropolitan cities to Green.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I don't even think this was tactical voting.

A straight up vote.

And it's obvious what resonates with this candidate and her party leader, even if you don't align completely with every one of their policies.
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I think you are right. Labour was up to some electoral shenanigans with a completely made-up tactical voting org, which they were called out on. Shameful that they are resorting to such tactics. It didn't work.
And I'm sure having the odious Goodwin as a reform candidate lost them votes.
 
johnola said:
I always think of the green party as the liberal democrat’s of hatred.
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I think they are very different. The UK Green's tradition is strongly anarchist (left libertarian if you prefer). They are quite anti-state and pro-localism. It's not something we've ever really experienced in this country - decentralisation and giving power to local areas (taking it away from government and big business). The re-enfranchisement could be a really healthy dose for this country.

The Lib Dems however are quite intensively neo-liberal with their economics - they are essentially Cameron and Osbourne in worse suits. It's why they never really break out from the south-west region and don't appeal in metropolitan cities.
 
Rorschach said:
I think you are right. Labour was up to some electoral shenanigans with a completely made-up tactical voting org, which they were called out on. Shameful that they are resorting to such tactics. It didn't work.
And I'm sure having the odious Goodwin as a reform candidate lost them votes.
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I don't think Reform would ever win in Manchester, unless by default through a real fudge-up of Labour and Green. It's not really that sort of place (too many graduates and a strong working-class social reform heritage); the same as any big city outside of maybe somewhere like Middlesbrough or Hull
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I don't even think this was tactical voting.

A straight up vote.

And it's obvious what resonates with this candidate and her party leader, even if you don't align completely with every one of their policies.
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This is key and I think its now often forgotten because of all the noise coming out at the head of any party. Ultimately to win locally you need to appeal to the voters, if you don't you are toast, it has nothing to do with being Woke, its about people choosing parties that they feel will improve their own standards, no amount of parroting at national level lands locally, not if the other person is actually working their arse off locally to find out what voters want and whats important to them
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't think Reform would ever win in Manchester, unless by default through a real fudge-up of Labour and Green. It's not really that sort of place (too many graduates and a strong working-class social reform heritage)
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With FPTP weird brick happens. It is a stupid system that disenfranchises swathes of voters that only really has merit in a two horse race, and then not much. A fragmented left vote opens the door for fascists.
 
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Mikey10 said:
Great to see the politics of hatred rejected too.
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What will be very interesting is how Reform supporters become interested in the Greens over the next few years.
A core part of the Brexit vote and following UKIP, Reform etc is a call for an improvement in life and a change to the Status Quo.

Greens (5) and Reform (8) have similar number of MPs now.

The narrative will now look at the Greens in the same way it did Farage Inc a few years ago.
The Greens need to make sure they have they're ducks in a row about policy substance.

The Lib Dems should be very worried.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't think Reform would ever win in Manchester, unless by default through a real fudge-up of Labour and Green. It's not really that sort of place (too many graduates and a strong working-class social reform heritage); the same as any big city outside of maybe somewhere like Middlesbrough or Hull
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I think you have to be careful predicting any motivations from any demographic based on legacy traits these days
 
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