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Pape Matar Sarr

I think the bigger story about Sarr not playing in AFCON (again) is perhaps more about the player's ability. In some ways I'm disappointed that he hasn't broken into their team and become a mainstay. After all, he represents Spurs as an international. He is being kept out by a 36 year old Idrissa Gueye, Habib Diarra (Sunderland) and Papa Gueye (Villareal). These guys are no massive superstars playing for elite clubs.

It plays into the same narrative that we have at Spurs why he is peripheral, not core in our team.
 
Muttley said:
I think the bigger story about Sarr not playing in AFCON (again) is perhaps more about the player's ability. In some ways I'm disappointed that he hasn't broken into their team and become a mainstay. After all, he represents Spurs as an international. He is being kept out by a 36 year old Idrissa Gueye, Habib Diarra (Sunderland) and Papa Gueye (Villareal). These guys are no massive superstars playing for elite clubs.

It plays into the same narrative that we have at Spurs why he is peripheral, not core in our team.
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I'm not convinced it's that simple. He was really good for a period of games under Frank, then out of nowhere out of the team and not really been given a real opportunity since - If he had continued to play for a few more games and became poor I would have understood, but that wasn't the case.

We don't always know what's going on behind closed doors, and could well be more too it than he's not good enough to be playing....
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not convinced it's that simple. He was really good for a period of games under Frank, then out of nowhere out of the team and not really been given a real opportunity since - If he had continued to play for a few more games and became poor I would have understood, but that wasn't the case.

We don't always know what's going on behind closed doors, and could well be more too it than he's not good enough to be playing....
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It's definitely not that simple. There should have course be injuries.

What seems to have happened is that Frank knew (we all did) that he needed to go through a period of player nurturing to map Sarr into his double pivot roles in front of the back four. He uses him pre-season and early-season in the hybrid AM / 10 role. He puts stability behind Sarr and gets some good things out of him offensively.

So the next phase is interesting, especially as Gallagher is a box-to-box number 8 and a player that can operate in the channel. It eill be interesting whether this focuses Sarr to listen to his manager and make a step up.

I guess the silver lining here is that Sarr has been training and not playing for around a month and that is good for his body. He'll hopefully be very strong through these next few months. We need that.
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not convinced it's that simple. He was really good for a period of games under Frank, then out of nowhere out of the team and not really been given a real opportunity since - If he had continued to play for a few more games and became poor I would have understood, but that wasn't the case.

We don't always know what's going on behind closed doors, and could well be more too it than he's not good enough to be playing....
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I was at the Villarreal game and he went down on his haunches holding his groin before being subbed off. He’s not had a sniff since

The first few games this season I thought we were going to build the team around him in midfield and now he’s almost an after thought
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not convinced it's that simple. He was really good for a period of games under Frank, then out of nowhere out of the team and not really been given a real opportunity since - If he had continued to play for a few more games and became poor I would have understood, but that wasn't the case.

We don't always know what's going on behind closed doors, and could well be more too it than he's not good enough to be playing....
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Didn't it coincide with his mate being murdered or something too?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
A very underrated player. One who I would be starting. 1., He is a ball carrier, a very rare skill in our team, 2., he tackles well, 3, he pops up with goals, 4., he ;plays with real tempo and energy.
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That's Sarr at his best, reality is he's inconsistent, made some pretty bad mistakes and isn't great technically, he's also 4 years older than Gray and Bergvall, and only 2 younger than Gallagher.

For him to be starting, who is he replacing? for the rest of the season, I'd expect Xavi & Gallagher start, with Paulhinha for harder games, Gray for games where we expect to be under less pressure.

Sarr will get sub appearances but (imo, and I like the kid), it was always likely to be 2 out of 3 between him, Gray and Bergvall, right now they seem to have a higher ceiling and Gallagher is simply a better player. He's not a bad player by any means and certainly had had great moments/games for us, but he hasn't pushed on. I think he's one if an offer came in, the club would move on.
 
Raziel said:
That's Sarr at his best, reality is he's inconsistent, made some pretty bad mistakes and isn't great technically, he's also 4 years older than Gray and Bergvall, and only 2 younger than Gallagher.

For him to be starting, who is he replacing? for the rest of the season, I'd expect Xavi & Gallagher start, with Paulhinha for harder games, Gray for games where we expect to be under less pressure.

Sarr will get sub appearances but (imo, and I like the kid), it was always likely to be 2 out of 3 between him, Gray and Bergvall, right now they seem to have a higher ceiling and Gallagher is simply a better player. He's not a bad player by any means and certainly had had great moments/games for us, but he hasn't pushed on. I think he's one if an offer came in, the club would move on.
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Sarr is much more dynamic than Gray and more versaltile to boot. To be honest, I dont get the raving about Gray, he isn't particularly good at anything.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Sarr is much more dynamic than Gray and more versaltile to boot. To be honest, I dont get the raving about Gray, he isn't particularly good at anything.
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Different type of players. I think Gray will become our deep ballplaying holder, while Sarr, Bergvall and now Gallagher are all the engine rooms who you play one of next to him.

Sarr was also decent in the #10 spot earlier this season, which helps us (alongside Xavi) while Kulu and Maddison are returning
 
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Finney Is Back said:
I think Gray will become a FAR better player than Sarr will.
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I think they are both very good players...Archie has the higher ceiling because of his football intelligence, so he will settle into and meticulously learn a role.

Sarrs problem (if you can call it that) is he just loves playing the game too much...so he just wants to enjoy it and play with a smile. That might be born out of the sheer disbelief that he has been given an opportunity to play the game he loves at such a high level (given his story).
BUT PL teams/tactics/roles/formations require specifics, nuance, robots, conformists, focus....can we drag Sarr into any of those areas...which will, to some extent, kill off his free spirit nature.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Different type of players. I think Gray will become our deep ballplaying holder, while Sarr, Bergvall and now Gallagher are all the engine rooms who you play one of next to time.

Sarr was also decent in the #10 spot earlier this season, which helps us (alongside Xavi) while Kulu and Maddison are returning
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I think there is 100% a place in the squad for Sarr....whether that is enough for HIM, who knows.

I fear for him as the player that is the easy one to leave out.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Positionally very good. Reads the game well. Two good feet. Good control. Can see and execute a pass. Versatile in that he has played a lot of positions already at the top level and not been found wanting in any of them.
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Interesting, in that i would have said the same about Sarr..what games/performances have you seen them both player in the same roles that made you think Grey was better than Sarr at these things (you might be right i'm just seeking the 'evidence' as it were)
 
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