Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
For a party that talks about UK first, having your Ex Welsh leader banged up for selling out to the Russians is a massive hit
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For a party that talks about UK first, having your Ex Welsh leader banged up for selling out to the Russians is a massive hit
Of course businesses are favourable towards him - he doesn't have to do the difficult stuff like feed and clothe the peasants up there. You'd have to be a retard of Khan's level to fudge up being a mayor.
His model only works when you only control a poor part of the economy. His model completely fails when you need to actually tax people and pay for things.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
Thats what you have a political party for, if you are more competent than the last few at getting the right people in the right jobs then you will be fine. The jobs about being able to lead, PR, having abit about you and having the gumption to fight for things, which he has a mayor.
I don't think you've listened to him speak much then.
He has no regard for the damage profligate spending you wreak on the economy. He has no understanding that the wealthiest in the country can move/rearrange assets/hire better lawyers than HMRC. He has no understanding of the need to attract business with friendly regulations and tax regimes. He has no understanding whatsoever that Gordon Brown's magic money tree doesn't actually exist.
The list could go on forever, but it really is just pointless. He's everything that's terrible about Corbyn except the antisemitism (I think).
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
I listen to the business owners and resident who live there who wax lyrical about the guy who has transformed their city.
Managed to facilitate the new IBM offices in Manchester and the 2bn Innovation Hub. It also trends just under London as the most attractive place to set up your business in part to many of the successes achieved in the last few years.
You obviously don't like the bloke but its clear as day he has been a very very good Mayor and a force for good for Manchester
Finney Is Back
Barry Daines
I think those points absolutely show that he is a good (great?) mayor for Manchester.
Until I hear him talking about a government's need to show fiscal responsibility (or at least certainly not talking up the opposite) then I'd err on the side of caution when it comes to wanting him as PM (especially as most of his backers are those more on the left side of the party who's ideas are anything but fiscally responsible).
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
Thats cool and I get that
But if you talk about track records of doing good things and that being a shop window for bigger jobs, then he is high up the list. He is certainly better than what we have across all parties IMO, although thats a low bar admittedly.
I'm not sure I'd look at someone who's done an unrelated job (with almost opposite pressures) as the best choice for the biggest job in government.
The biggest (really the only) job of the PM, with the help of the Chancellor, is getting the economy right. Every single thing Burnham has ever said about the economy and his beliefs about it, show that he would be absolutely terrible at the job. He would be worse at it than someone who has never been involved in politics. In fact, he has the same understanding of economics as most Politics students seem to have when they're still young/stupid enough to believe the world is made of unicorns and rainbows and if we just all love each other enough, everything will be ok.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
So if you are not picking someone who has been in government before and been a Mayor of a major city, then where are you picking leaders from? Didn't you champion Boris from memory as leader of the Tories?
He did fine until COVID. He forgot that he was supposed to protect the economy first and foremost.
I'm fine with people who've been in government - showing an understanding of balancing costs with revenue is a significant part of forming any successful government. Being mayor of a city isn't that though. Especially not one who keeps publicly suggesting that we can simply spend as much as we want whenever we want.
Private sector directors of large businesses would be far better at the job, but it doesn't pay nearly enough to attract anyone of any decent standard.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
Bojo record before the PM job wasn't anything to write home about, he was a buffoon of a foreign secretary and a Mayor who plagorised others ideas from before him, and I thought you backed him as the best option at the time, not a dig BTW, memory is hazy. Just not sure of the difference
I backed him because he'd written a lot of political articles and always seemed to be the right side of economic understanding.
Turned out what he wrote and what he did were very different things entirely.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
I thought the clown prince fudge ups as foreign minister was enough personally, then being stuck on a zip line confirmed enough
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Everyone from their socialist left got purged out at the last election. Except McDonald, Burgon and Long Bailey, but none of those are getting anywhere now.
Burnham, Milliband, Raynor, Powell and Haigh are the left of the PLP these days. And they are moderate on renationalisation, so really pretty centrist
They have further to the left than "We don't need to balance the books, we can just keep spending"?
That's worrying. Starting to hope Starmer turns it around now.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
No chance, Starmer is cooked
ricky2tricky4city
Chris Jones
If you think any kind of 'balancing the books' has gone on for 10-15 years then you haven't been paying attention.
We have been in MMT mode, a non declared policy of any party resident in no.11. Naturally, theyve made a pigs ear of it, and very little to show for it (for most anyway).
(Although tbf COVID cost them a packet if you consider not just the amount they were dishing out but the reduction in what they were receiving)
glasgowspur
Barry Daines
Burnham can take a lot of credit for his running of Manchester, but he does have a lot of help.
The regeneration of Manchester began with the pumping in of government money after the bombing and the Emirates Marketing Project owners dump a shed load on money on the area as well.
The BBC are safe, but how would the corporate sector that he has lured act if he actually controlled the finances of the country, start ramping up the tax to pay for "project" and they may not be so keen.
Much like the devolved governments the mayor's can take all the credit for what goes right and pass the buck on their screw ups.
Just like Boris before him proved being mayor is not training for being PM.
The regeneration of Manchester began with the pumping in of government money after the bombing and the Emirates Marketing Project owners dump a shed load on money on the area as well.
The BBC are safe, but how would the corporate sector that he has lured act if he actually controlled the finances of the country, start ramping up the tax to pay for "project" and they may not be so keen.
Much like the devolved governments the mayor's can take all the credit for what goes right and pass the buck on their screw ups.
Just like Boris before him proved being mayor is not training for being PM.
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
No one does any job in politics alone though at any level and there are people who have worse track records than him (he was decent in his health role dealing with swine flu too) whereas Boris was making mistakes that impacted relations with Iran. So if we are not looking for people who have done good jobs then where are we looking?