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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

dingdongo said:
There was a US female pundit on the radio the other day and she said how much everyone loves the overseas games but she couldn't ever see a superbowl coming here (maybe the pro bowl, is that a college thing?).
She mentioned it was mostly because you needed to pretty much takeover the whole area for the week in the build up with fan zones etc and Spurs is a great place but she just couldn't see it being possible, or the NFL wanted to do it. When asked if a UK franchise was close she also said basically "Why would the NFL bother?". It's more entertaining to bring all these different teams to places like London, Dublin, Germany each season and let European fans get to see their favourite teams. Also said it would be difficult to get a whole franchises organisation (players, families and coaches and backroom staff) to relocate.
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From one of the chief NFL guys...


Doesn't look like happening given those words
 
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Some Saturday morning stadium grot
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Outrageous that we’re squeezing our pitches into an underground car park instead of constructing a dedicated multi-storey facility for them #LevyOut!

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So far ahead of every other stadium in the UK & Europe apart from Real which is pretty spectacular with their pitch storage, good to see we gave them the idea.
The stadium technical tour must be a great experience but means a 6 kilometre walk taking in all parts the stadium and takes 3hrs 45 mins , at my age not sure my legs could take the strain.
 
One thing that strikes me about the Premier League arms race - new stadiums, and plans for new stadiums, are rapidly accelerating. Whether it's Everton's new gaff, the 100,000-capacity circus tent they're planning at United, or the Emirates rebuild.

It's a prompt for us to think about the medium-to-long-term prospects for upgrading our own stadium to stay ahead of the pack. Not really necessary now (and would be prohibitively expensive), but 10 or so years down the line, it will 100% become a topic of contention as other new stadiums emerge (much like the Goons are planning a rebuild of the Emirates now it's hit 20).

I wonder what our options are for stadium upgrades? Difficult to see a capacity increase given the fact that it's already apparently as big as it can physically get while being boxed in by the adjacent streets. For the same reason, I'm guessing something like a retractable roof (to squeeze a few more events out of the place) might be prohibitively difficult.

Maybe some more modest changes? LED walls/framing, similar to some designs going up in Saudi? Introduction of standing room? Would welcome views from folks more in the know on what's possible, tbh.
 
DubaiSpur said:
One thing that strikes me about the Premier League arms race - new stadiums, and plans for new stadiums, are rapidly accelerating. Whether it's Everton's new gaff, the 100,000-capacity circus tent they're planning at United, or the Emirates rebuild.

It's a prompt for us to think about the medium-to-long-term prospects for upgrading our own stadium to stay ahead of the pack. Not really necessary now (and would be prohibitively expensive), but 10 or so years down the line, it will 100% become a topic of contention as other new stadiums emerge (much like the Goons are planning a rebuild of the Emirates now it's hit 20).

I wonder what our options are for stadium upgrades? Difficult to see a capacity increase given the fact that it's already apparently as big as it can physically get while being boxed in by the adjacent streets. For the same reason, I'm guessing something like a retractable roof (to squeeze a few more events out of the place) might be prohibitively difficult.

Maybe some more modest changes? LED walls/framing, similar to some designs going up in Saudi? Introduction of standing room? Would welcome views from folks more in the know on what's possible, tbh.
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The emirates being expanded by 20k for £400m? Unless they are massivly increasing their corporate i don't get it. At £1k a season ticket it would take 20 years before seeing a return. Not including interest.
 
DubaiSpur said:
One thing that strikes me about the Premier League arms race - new stadiums, and plans for new stadiums, are rapidly accelerating. Whether it's Everton's new gaff, the 100,000-capacity circus tent they're planning at United, or the Emirates rebuild.

It's a prompt for us to think about the medium-to-long-term prospects for upgrading our own stadium to stay ahead of the pack. Not really necessary now (and would be prohibitively expensive), but 10 or so years down the line, it will 100% become a topic of contention as other new stadiums emerge (much like the Goons are planning a rebuild of the Emirates now it's hit 20).

I wonder what our options are for stadium upgrades? Difficult to see a capacity increase given the fact that it's already apparently as big as it can physically get while being boxed in by the adjacent streets. For the same reason, I'm guessing something like a retractable roof (to squeeze a few more events out of the place) might be prohibitively difficult.

Maybe some more modest changes? LED walls/framing, similar to some designs going up in Saudi? Introduction of standing room? Would welcome views from folks more in the know on what's possible, tbh.
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United and Chelsea will never build theirs, its all noise to appease their fans.

Arsenal may do something, but it will be piecemeal, like Anfield.

As for ours, i think the compression band is at maximum weight to be able to not need pillars, so i dont think there's any chance of a full roof.

I think the cladding will likely change in a decade or so, as that grey will date. But otherwise just maintainance (avoiding Old Trafford and Wembley leaks) and decorating sprucing should keep it shipshape for 30 or more years.

Both ends being entirely converted to standing would be great

I wonder if we might buy the school directly to the east and build an indoor arena there, like City have done?

And getting the Northumberland Park Victoria Line platforms is obviously the biggest possible medium-to-long term win
 
Gutter Boy said:
United and Chelsea will never build theirs, its all noise to appease their fans.

Arsenal may do something, but it will be piecemeal, like Anfield.

As for ours, i think the compression band is at maximum weight to be able to not need pillars, so i dont think there's any chance of a full roof.

I think the cladding will likely change in a decade or so, as that grey will date. But otherwise just maintainance (avoiding Old Trafford and Wembley leaks) and decorating sprucing should keep it shipshape for 30 or more years.

Both ends being entirely converted to standing would be great

I wonder if we might buy the school directly to the east and build an indoor arena there, like City have done?

And getting the Northumberland Park Victoria Line platforms is obviously the biggest possible medium-to-long term win
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On the Goons, believe that's their idea - to do a partial expansion to 70,000, much like the Anfield expansion.

On the roof, makes sense - if I recall correctly, those compression rings required incredibly delicate and precise work to get into place and tension properly, and the roof as a whole being based on those rings makes it unlikely we can change it up significantly. Though, wouldn't that *also* rule out any future expansion efforts by itself, given the outer ring (iirc) runs along the top of the stands?

Defo on the transport links too - iirc, TfL want the club to partially pay for those, no? I recall in 2012-ish, TfL turned us down on the idea of extending the Victoria Line citing the 50m cost.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Defo on the transport links too - iirc, TfL want the club to partially pay for those, no? I recall in 2012-ish, TfL turned us down on the idea of extending the Victoria Line citing the 50m cost.
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50m is a back-up left back from the French league these days!

It could be huge, for concerts especially. I was puzzled by how 60k Beyonce fans got from Seven Sisters every night. Can you do 3 miles in those sort of heels, or was every single Uber in the south east summoned to N17? That experience is not likely to encourage repeat business.
 
Gutter Boy said:
50m is a back-up left back from the French league these days!

It could be huge, for concerts especially. I was puzzled by how 60k Beyonce fans got from Seven Sisters every night. Can you do 3 miles in those sort of heels, or was every single Uber in the south east summoned to N17? That experience is not likely to encourage repeat business.
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1.6 miles.
 
DubaiSpur said:
One thing that strikes me about the Premier League arms race - new stadiums, and plans for new stadiums, are rapidly accelerating. Whether it's Everton's new gaff, the 100,000-capacity circus tent they're planning at United, or the Emirates rebuild.

It's a prompt for us to think about the medium-to-long-term prospects for upgrading our own stadium to stay ahead of the pack. Not really necessary now (and would be prohibitively expensive), but 10 or so years down the line, it will 100% become a topic of contention as other new stadiums emerge (much like the Goons are planning a rebuild of the Emirates now it's hit 20).

I wonder what our options are for stadium upgrades? Difficult to see a capacity increase given the fact that it's already apparently as big as it can physically get while being boxed in by the adjacent streets. For the same reason, I'm guessing something like a retractable roof (to squeeze a few more events out of the place) might be prohibitively difficult.

Maybe some more modest changes? LED walls/framing, similar to some designs going up in Saudi? Introduction of standing room? Would welcome views from folks more in the know on what's possible, tbh.
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I’d seriously suggest waiting and seeing who does what
In London now… to build ours stadium again .,. £2b is the figure
That’s what our sports team at work have as a rough guide
Arsenal to do what they are talking about is likely to be between £500 and £800m including their off site costs to find somewhere else to play
IMO none of these will happen
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’d seriously suggest waiting and seeing who does what
In London now… to build ours stadium again .,. £2b is the figure
That’s what our sports team at work have as a rough guide
Arsenal to do what they are talking about is likely to be between £500 and £800m including their off site costs to find somewhere else to play
IMO none of these will happen
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I think us, City and Everton got our grounds done in a narrow window. They are next generation compared to the first bowls (Arsenal, Derby, Sunderland, Middlesborough), but were just about affordable. I dont there will be a next generation again for a very long time, the way capitalism is failing, global economies are flattening and infrastructure is becoming ever more prohibitively expensive
 
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Gutter Boy said:
I think us, City and Everton got our grounds done in a narrow window. They are next generation compared to the first bowls (Arsenal, Derby, Sunderland, Middlesborough), but were just about affordable. I dont there will be a next generation again for a very long time, the way capitalism is failing, global economies are flattening and infrastructure is becoming ever more prohibitively expensive
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Well city’s has been significantly changed
I was on the team that built that (tail end for me) but I do agree
 
DubaiSpur said:
I wonder what our options are for stadium upgrades?
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In the book "Destination Tottenham" which covers the stadium build there is not a single word about any expansion of the stadium being possible. It's not as though you can remove a section of the roof to extend either east , west or north stands as the "cable net roof" would make that impossible, the south stand can't be touched as it took an engineering feat in designing the two trees to hold up the whole structure.

I'm not an expert on civil engineering but I would think a stadium like The Emirates has different construction techniques and that removing part of the roof to extend a stand would be possible.
Having sat in the upper tier at Wembley (need binoculars) when we played there I think a circa 60,000 stadium is about the right.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
In the book "Destination Tottenham" which covers the stadium build there is not a single word about any expansion of the stadium being possible. It's not as though you can remove a section of the roof to extend either east , west or north stands as the "cable net roof" would make that impossible, the south stand can't be touched as it took an engineering feat in designing the two trees to hold up the whole structure.

I'm not an expert on civil engineering but I would think a stadium like The Emirates has different construction techniques and that removing part of the roof to extend a stand would be possible.
Having sat in the upper tier at Wembley (need binoculars) when we played there I think a circa 60,000 stadium is about the right.
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I agree 60k is the sweet spot. Its what the Colliseum was and those dimensions have echoed through time.

A lot of the Italian teams who went 80k in the 90s have or are planning to shrink down to improve the fan experience - Juve have already done it and the Milan and Rome teams want to follow suit
 
No-one has done as good a job as us in creating a near to perfect stadium for (association) football.

And I'm not sure increasing the capacity is worthwhile beyond the 60k mark.
Plus the rises in ticket prices might reach a ceiling soon. More the ceiling someone can afford or prepare to pay will naturally lower due to the general financial outlook.

One thinks there will always be 60k willing to turn up.....I'm not so sure if clubs keep pushing prices up vs the bigger picture
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
No-one has done as good a job as us in creating a near to perfect stadium for (association) football.

And I'm not sure increasing the capacity is worthwhile beyond the 60k mark.
Plus the rises in ticket prices might reach a ceiling soon. More the ceiling someone can afford or prepare to pay will naturally lower due to the general financial outlook.

One thinks there will always be 60k willing to turn up.....I'm not so sure if clubs keep pushing prices up vs the bigger picture
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There is also likely a sweet spot for any side where the capacity hits and any more starts to then impact negatively due to increase in operational costs.

You only need one bad season and having to flog off 20,000 ten quid tickets above the STS for it to be a disaster.

The smart play IMO would be to improve the proposition, the team, the food and beverage and the screens etc. Also look at what can be enhanced around the ground to attract more non match day revenue
 
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