Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gazza]

I think the whole unhealthy living promotion in this country is a bigger strain on the NHS and our kids than any immigration problem will ever be.

People need proper food eduction and fitness eduction from a young age here.

Country full of fat, booze and drug problems bottle necking the NHS

Was having a chat with my mate the other day about this, he eats like a pig but our job is quite hands on and on top of that he goes to the gym. His food education is so low. But he says he started going to the gym and got the bug . We thought that making it mandatory to take up some sort of physical activity a week and get a tax break for it may work in the grand scheme of things. Things may get to get educated in their formative adult years.

Could also be a new social norm where you may actually meet people that helps in many things mentally

 

[Grays_1890]

Disagree. People arent robots. You need art and literature to teach them humanity, compassion, cohesion, respectful disagreement - all the core skills for life. Arts cant just be for private schools - that kills social mobility

Work skills become irrelevant in 2 seconds with the arrival of a new bit of tech. Human skills like independent thought and critical analysis are for life

I think there is space for both...hence fluid

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Was having a chat with my mate the other day about this, he eats like a pig but our job is quite hands on and on top of that he goes to the gym. His food education is so low. But he says he started going to the gym and got the bug . We thought that making it mandatory to take up some sort of physical activity a week and get a tax break for it may work in the grand scheme of things. Things may get to get educated in their formative adult years.

Could also be a new social norm where you may actually meet people that helps in many things mentally

Has he started to have a nose around about food/nutrition? Sometimes going to the gym can then lead to such subjects. Online influencers in the gym/fitness space are plentiful, and quite often touch on food/diet as well

 

[LutonSpurs]

You didn’t have to interact my replying. You make me laugh.

You would have just carried on replying with your incoherent nonsense.

 

[Grays_1890]

Has he started to have a nose around about food/nutrition? Sometimes going to the gym can then lead to such subjects. Online influencers in the gym/fitness space are plentiful, and quite often touch on food/diet as well

Even without that, there is loads...........move more, eat less and keep ahead of your diet is the best, easiest advice I ever had

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think there is space for both...hence fluid

Great. Sorry, it was just the inner city kids are wasting doing Shakespeare line that prickled a bit. Access to arts really shouldn't be classed based, otherwise we are going back to Educating Rita.

 

[Mikey10]

Personally I think education itself is vulnerable to AI .

Two reasons really.
1. The curriculum needs a complete reboot. We are still teaching something akin to the 70s and 80s. The world has changed so much.
2. It's been proven that 1 to 1 tuition (or even small groups) is far more effective and garners much better results and outcomes. AI can facilitate this with bells on.

With regards to number one, couldn’t agree more. The school I currently teach at developed an extra-curricular programme four years ago which sees pupils involved weekly with a wide-range of activities designed to develop life skills, resilience, and to introduce them to things they might just fall in love with and carry forward with them through life. It’s been a real success.

I’ve no doubt that you’re right about number two, although I think that learning will have to continue to be in a school-type environment, from community, motivation and monitoring of learning perspectives. It can’t be too far away, though, that every child will have an AI assistant in the classroom ready to help them with the particular areas of learning they are struggling with/want to investigate more.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Even without that, there is loads...........move more, eat less and keep ahead of your diet is the best, easiest advice I ever had

I'm just saying there are gateways in, that if he never stepped in the gym, he'd never had come across

 

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I’m sure Rupert Lowe will be along any second now…

 

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[ricky2tricky4city]

With regards to number one, couldn’t agree more. The school I currently teach at developed an extra-curricular programme four years ago which sees pupils involved weekly with a wide-range of activities designed to develop life skills, resilience, and to introduce them to things they might just fall in love with and carry forward with them through life. It’s been a real success.

My daughters school does (did) exactly the same thing...called 'enrichment' and it was built into the timetable as the last lesson of the day Mon-Thurs. The range of subjects/interests/activities was fantastic. It was something that attracted us to the school in the first place.
However this year they have backtracked on this and now it's labelled 'after school clubs' the offering is much reduced (lots of sport) and isn't compulsory. Really disappointing, it was a fantastic opportunity in it's previous form

 

[thfcsteff]

Whats interesting though, and I love being English, British, European BTW. I have just come back from three weeks working abroad and coming back to Heathrow last night you have the pictures to welcome you to London and literally the culture is sold as.........black cabs, pearly king and queen and a beefeater. So I do wonder what the culture is that gets mentioned so much that we are losing? That's not a dig at you BTW but its a genuine question.

I mean I have been privileged enough to travel the world a few times and I have to say, we are one of the least cultural places I have been BUT go on about our culture more than others who have it in abundance. That again is not a dig, its just an observation

I see alot of people going on about things that them themselves no longer support, I doubt many West Ham fans went out their way to support the pie and mash shops in Upton Park when the ground moved which went out of business etc. Pubs are not being supported by people in the numbers they once were because even British culture has changed to a social media age where people don't talk and youngsters are not obsessed with booze.

The new trend from the grifters like TR and Brand is to go on about GHod and church (because it gives them edge to preach) yet even they are empty and if you read your bible, there is as much to fear about those words as any religion moaned about elsewhere.

So in short, I wonder what our culture is that we are trying to protect?

Mine, having lived in Edmonton was built being British in an area which was an attack on the senses, Turkish shops and food, West Indian music, being a Jew and supporting Spurs.................and I fcuking would not change that for the world.

Exactly.

As for church, I find myself wondering how many of those people actually practice even remotely 'Christian' values? I am not biblical (in any sense actually!!!!!!) however there are lines attributed to Jesus - 'walk a day in the shoes of others', 'do unto others as you'd have done unto you' - and so-on which I find to be exceptionally decent and healthy life practices.

 

[thfcsteff]

There are some jobs that should have been automated a long time ago - like train drivers, etc that will and should go.

Every revolution in work has made people sure that it would kill jobs and it doesn't, it just changes them. The industrial revolution didn't kill work, the invention of the car didn't kill work, the computer and internet revolution didn't kill work. AI won't weed and seal my driveway or trim my trees and I'll be fudged if I'm doing it.

Education is an interesting one. There are so many talented, hard working teachers in our state system. But so much of their work is undone by the lazy, incompetent, unsackable few. There are two steps that would immediately make a leap in education quality in this country:

1) Reduce the strength of the unions in order to allow schools to replace underperforming staff and better incentivise the talented.

2) Offer an annual £5k tax rebate to anyone that privately educates their child. This will both relieve the pressure on a creaking state system and improve the education of those leaving it.

Labour can't achieve 1, as they would be skint if they did. 2 doesn't play well to the clapping seal simpletons who base their political opinions on envy and a hatred of success.

Appreciate the reply, I'll take time later to read over properly and respond.

 

[thfcsteff]

Disagree. People arent robots. You need art and literature to teach them humanity, compassion, cohesion, respectful disagreement - all the core skills for life. Arts cant just be for private schools - that kills social mobility

Work skills become irrelevant in 2 seconds with the arrival of a new bit of tech. Human skills like independent thought and critical analysis are for life

This is SUCH an important point.
That supposed 'waster' some see in the local coffee shop or pub with their sketch book/notebook and couple of friends yakking away in the corner? They're providing an important societal energy and 'social currency'. SO important. Independent artists and creatives are the glue which helps FREE societies click.
I think you've contributed one of the most important points I've seen on this forum for some time.

 

[thfcsteff]

Has he started to have a nose around about food/nutrition? Sometimes going to the gym can then lead to such subjects. Online influencers in the gym/fitness space are plentiful, and quite often touch on food/diet as well

I think access to that sort of education and information needs to (again) be presented in a form/language that speaks to people who currently don't engage. Convenience has become such an enemy of so much in our society, that you have to present diet in 'convenient ways' so-to-speak.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Exactly.

As for church, I find myself wondering how many of those people actually practice even remotely 'Christian' values? I am not biblical (in any sense actually!!!!!!) however there are lines attributed to Jesus - 'walk a day in the shoes of others', 'do unto others as you'd have done unto you' - and so-on which I find to be exceptionally decent and healthy life practices.

There are a lot of depictions of violence in the bible, but mostly in the old testament (the bit shared with jewish and islamic texts). I am not religious but i was brought up as a catholic and taken to Sunday school and mass (in latin) every Sunday until my grand parents died.

The teachings of Jesus are pretty much entirely against violence and "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" was coined in the bible.

 

[Rorschach]

Yes.

But, to some degree the high street isn’t agile enough in the market, it’s not working hard enough to compete on price, and that’s partly because the land ownership isn’t smart enough to realise it also needs to be competitive on rents and rates.

Physical retail has been glacially slow to respond.

This is certainly part of it. It was of its time, and maybe that time is over.

What we are seeing now in some Western nations is late-stage capitalism. It is not only the periphery being stripped of its resources. It is happening in the core too. But hey, gotta have that growth and that trickle-down thingie.

 

[Gazza]

You would have just carried on replying with your incoherent nonsense.

Dude!!! Cowabunga man Still angry? Calm down it’s only a forum. A big massive racist forum.

Loving your posts about English paedophiles it really highlights corruption in the government and police cover up because they are scared of being called racists.

But when in Rome

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[thfcsteff]

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There are some jobs that should have been automated a long time ago - like train drivers, etc that will and should go.

Every revolution in work has made people sure that it would kill jobs and it doesn't, it just changes them. The industrial revolution didn't kill work, the invention of the car didn't kill work, the computer and internet revolution didn't kill work. AI won't weed and seal my driveway or trim my trees and I'll be fudged if I'm doing it.

Education is an interesting one. There are so many talented, hard working teachers in our state system. But so much of their work is undone by the lazy, incompetent, unsackable few. There are two steps that would immediately make a leap in education quality in this country:

1) Reduce the strength of the unions in order to allow schools to replace underperforming staff and better incentivise the talented.

2) Offer an annual £5k tax rebate to anyone that privately educates their child. This will both relieve the pressure on a creaking state system and improve the education of those leaving it.

Labour can't achieve 1, as they would be skint if they did. 2 doesn't play well to the clapping seal simpletons who base their political opinions on envy and a hatred of success.

I see the reasoning behind your view on employment, and historically it is hard to argue. I think where Ai will be the most damaging is in the creative/artistic fields, and I fear that TBH.

I agree that 'protected' bricky teachers need to be made redundant and not protected by a vehicle not designed to specifically protect them.

I have not done the numbers, but a 5k tax rebate would not make private education any
more affordable to those who want a better education for their children but find private school too expensive I don't believe? Maybe a tax rebate reflecting 50% of the total fees per year? Bear in mind I am in 'spitball' mode and this could be an awful suggestion for many reasons...