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Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

Jurgen the German said:
Liverpool and Arsenal haven’t cheated, they’ve been more successful. How have United cheated? They’ve also clearly been more successful.

Numerous clubs in other clubs in Europe too.
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Liverpool were a bigger club than us from well before Levy taking over. Both benefitted massively from being at or close enough to the top at the time of huge money disparity entering football consistently. The "top 4" as CL money became huge.

It's been very difficult for any club to get to a consistent CL participation level without already being one of those clubs without "cheating"/massive financial injections. That task looks about as difficult as any task in football. To me Levy has done really well at that. Particularly remembering that compared to Germany and Spain for example there are more big clubs in the PL to compete with imo.

Dortmund and Athletico Madrid can have a good, not great season and finish in CL places. Good, not great in the PL typically means you're immediately out of that.

No other club in the PL has come closer to that over the last 25 years than us. We were even there for a while. And it now looks at least realistic that we can again. In no small part thanks to Levy.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Yeah…I don’t buy that the kids have suddenly taken an interest. I guess maybe there is a fair argument that with Pops stepping back, they can now exert their authority a bit more, and can bring fresh ideas on how to maximise their investment in Spurs. But it’s also clear that ENIC created the constraints Daniel operated under.

I think the truth is just that in the same way that Daniel has had tough conversations with managers and told them they’ve been great for a period, but aren’t the right one to take us forward, the same thing just happened to him.

I truly believe he was an excellent Chairman, arguably the best there was, taking into account on and off pitch progress from the position we started. But something needed to change if we were ever going to truly compete for the title. And something probably needed to change if we didn’t want our top 6 position to be under threat too. I think this summer we made a lot of changes in personnel and approach, and it shows what is possible. The difficulty in having so much power concentrated in him just meant it was difficult to truly change how we worked as a club, no matter what Football Executive he brought in.
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In reality the only thing that will change what you ask for, is more money. So Levy wasn't the barrier to that, he worked to the Lewis remit, and spent what we earned. He, personally, could do no more than that.

So even with him gone (and moving on to your other point), are the Lewis's continuing in the same way or are they changing strategy finance wise? Just maybe Joe isn't the the captain of the ship anymore? And the sons and daughters DO have control and their own ideas. Alternatively they're looking for a minority partner via outside investment?.
 
braineclipse said:
If there's a cash injection we probably can.

If not there will have to be some balance.

Regardless we're in a much stronger position doing so in part as a result of the work Levy has om done.
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I was being sarcastic, I think many who think thats how it will work, based on their protests and mindset on why Levy needed to leave will be disappointed when the sustainable model is maintained
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Yeah…I don’t buy that the kids have suddenly taken an interest. I guess maybe there is a fair argument that with Pops stepping back, they can now exert their authority a bit more, and can bring fresh ideas on how to maximise their investment in Spurs. But it’s also clear that ENIC created the constraints Daniel operated under.

I think the truth is just that in the same way that Daniel has had tough conversations with managers and told them they’ve been great for a period, but aren’t the right one to take us forward, the same thing just happened to him.

I truly believe he was an excellent Chairman, arguably the best there was, taking into account on and off pitch progress from the position we started. But something needed to change if we were ever going to truly compete for the title. And something probably needed to change if we didn’t want our top 6 position to be under threat too. I think this summer we made a lot of changes in personnel and approach, and it shows what is possible. The difficulty in having so much power concentrated in him just meant it was difficult to truly change how we worked as a club, no matter what Football Executive he brought in.
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Appreciate your ability to see different perspectives and nuance.

I just hope the change will be the positive you and others have hoped for. I've long been very much open to a change of chairman, but unsure if a change would be for the better or worse (or mostly similar).

As with players and managers improving on someone is always a good idea. I look around at how different clubs are run and I don't see the average being better than what Levy has done. A change could be good, could be brick.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
In reality the only thing that will change what you ask for, is more money. So Levy wasn't the barrier to that, he worked to the Lewis remit, and spent what we earned. He, personally, could do no more than that.

So even with him gone (and moving on to your other point), are the Lewis's continuing in the same way or are they changing strategy finance wise? Just maybe Joe isn't the the captain of the ship anymore? And the sons and daughters DO have control and their own ideas. Alternatively they're looking for a minority partner via outside investment?.
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I think we'll get minority partner investment myself.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Arsenal are clearly further down the road than us and certainly were not like this after the rebuild which people like to gloss over and Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in PL history. So yeh we could have done ALOT more, no one denies that, but comparisons to those two clubs come with faults in the reckoning IMO. Just like some never want to compare to Uniteds current plight because "if thats the standard then.............blah blah blah"

I mean we can always compare ourselves against the best, I suppose its a benchmark for greatness, but you need to take a wider view to be honest about who we are as a club and the facts are, well at least as I see it, we have never been as bad as the meltdowns suggest
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Liverpool are undoubtedly one of the biggest clubs in the PL, yet they've only won it twice in 33 years.

It's difficult to tell if arsenal are getting closer to the prize or further away from it IMHO.

I find it difficult to compare us with Liverpool, they have bigger resources than us and with their history more of a pull with players and coaches.

Arsenal probably are closer to us resources wise and their pull and history is slightly better than ours but waning. Their fa cup win five years ago (?) is on a similar level to our EL win. Since Poch I think our records are very comparable.
 
glasgowspur said:
Liverpool are undoubtedly one of the biggest clubs in the PL, yet they've only won it twice in 33 years.

It's difficult to tell if arsenal are getting closer to the prize or further away from it IMHO.

I find it difficult to compare us with Liverpool, they have bigger resources than us and with their history more of a pull with players and coaches.

Arsenal probably are closer to us resources wise and their pull and history is slightly better than ours but waning. Their fa cup win five years ago (?) is on a similar level to our EL win. Since Poch I think our records are very comparable.
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Unpopular opinion, but Villa are the best comparison from where we were to where we are and how sticky PSR is without the commercial side, that could have easily been us has we stayed at old WHL, a good CL run and then no money to sustain the level. For me they are the example of why we did what we did and the foresight of doing it.

I was told on here by someone that what we did commercially was easy and all clubs could have done it and still might, they even cited West Ham, despite them being asset stripped. Reality is Levy was always ahead of the curve with that vision
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
Spurs fans from 1898 to 1943 must have been much more forgiving bunch, just the two trophies under this chairman.
Charles D. Roberts - November, 1898 to July, 1943
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He did though upgrade our ground from Tottenham Marshes to Northumberland Park. That progression out of waterlogging was transformative in its day
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
In reality the only thing that will change what you ask for, is more money. So Levy wasn't the barrier to that, he worked to the Lewis remit, and spent what we earned. He, personally, could do no more than that.

So even with him gone (and moving on to your other point), are the Lewis's continuing in the same way or are they changing strategy finance wise? Just maybe Joe isn't the the captain of the ship anymore? And the sons and daughters DO have control and their own ideas. Alternatively they're looking for a minority partner via outside investment?.
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Where are the Lewis kids gonna get the cash from…
Same issue as you say
 
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Yiddo said:
The biggest question of all is why now? why right at this moment? 3 games into the season, it seems a bit odd.

Also i bet that fan who got banned is fuming right now.
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Yeah this is definitely going to upset the dressing room. You could tell Levy had a real rapport and natural chemistry with the players from that all or nothing documentary, he was the football version of Robin Williams, making people smile and feel at ease simply with his presence, he had the gift of the gab like no other. If you lose someone with that level of charisma working in the upper echelons of the club, how could you be expected to step over the line to play 90 minutes of top level football? Abandon ship!!! PANIC!!!!!!!

Thanks for allowing me to indulge in some hysteria, it's quite fun. As controversial as it is, I don't have a strong feeling on this one. On paper no doubt we're in a good position, you can judge what a player does on the pitch as it's in plain view and pretending we know anything about the going ons at board level seems a bit off. The stadium is great, what would have happened if we had stayed at the lane when it was a fortress under Poch and focused on the football pitch not the NFL nor the go karts - Obviously we'll never know.

I'm sure Levy did his best to hit the targets that were set for him, and it's not easy being the person who takes all the flak. Abuse or worship of him seems a bit odd to me but there you go. It's nice of the club to give us something to chat about during the international break, PR masterclass.
 
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