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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Silly McSilly Face said:
Acknowledging your own inbuilt prejudices and rationalising them is an important thing to do. The post you quoted is an emotion I've experienced. In my post I acknowledge that it was irrational.
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And was part of a larger part in which you didn't mention 9/11 no that it was only prejudice in singular time but part of a larger feeling. So I think you are pulling some strokes to justify it TBH. But there we are.

At least we got there in the end
 
Grays_1890 said:
And was part of a larger part in which you didn't mention 9/11 no that it was only prejudice in singular time but part of a larger feeling. So I think you are pulling some strokes to justify it TBH. But there we are.

At least we got there in the end
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I think the stereotype i painted in that post is an example of something that can cause unease and 9/11 was certainly the root cause of the unease someone might feel in relation to that stereotype. Unconscious bias is often routed in a stereotype that we've been exposed to that has been associated with something negative and dangerous and this is a normal animalistic threat response. Part of the goal of 9/11 was to create tension within western communities and increase radicalisation and isolation of Muslim communities.
 
Rorschach said:
Starmer is not good at politics. I had fairly low expectations for him, but he's managing to make the situation worse with every utterance. At this stage, I think he might rock up and shout at a few hotels himself. Bizarre to think he was a human rights lawyer at one point.
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He has joined the quick win phalanx without any verve of how to truly grift people, he is in the major leagues of grifter with Farage and Co, he needs to up it or get out
 
Grays_1890 said:
He has joined the quick win phalanx without any verve of how to truly grift people, he is in the major leagues of grifter with Farage and Co, he needs to up it or get out
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Farage is in a league of his own. He has been anointed to lead the UK version of the MAGA 2025 project, and Starmer is playing right into his hands.
 
Rorschach said:
Starmer is not good at politics. I had fairly low expectations for him, but he's managing to make the situation worse with every utterance. At this stage, I think he might rock up and shout at a few hotels himself. Bizarre to think he was a human rights lawyer at one point.
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He is utterly useless. And unpopular. The reason he is so unpopular is that he is utterly useless AND inconsistent. What does he actually stand for and why is he even here? The journey from human rights lawyer to "island of strangers, send em home" is a case in point. He and his cabinet look like rabbits in headlights and have done since they got into office: immigration policy isn't even the worst example of this. "We're going to reform welfare......oh actually no we're not...." encapsulates it, complete with Rachel in tears on the front bench.

join us for episode two in the Autumn budget where the tax pledges are on the bonfire, Rachel's sat on a chair at the top playing the guy and Starmer's rocked up to the party with a box of firelighters, and a box of matches
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They're not. Net migration is utterly unsustainable. And population growth is pretty much the single root cause of many of the major structural issues this country faces.

And its a huge issue politically also. Just because the focus has shifted onto the hotels doesn't mean that Farage doesn't constantly go on about net migration or that it won't be THE big issue at the next election.

As I've said the BMA in their strike action have highlighted that there are not enough medical training places to cater for the numbers of graduates coming out of medical school. That's because the NHS has repurposed itself to rely on importing already qualified doctors from abroad. This is an example of the Blairite restructuring of the economy to rely on immigration. The so-called "mass-immigration" policy, which Blair now regards as as one of his biggest regrets.

A narrative was developed to go along with this that immigration at scale is necessary for economic growth when this is rubbish. The NHS example is a good one in this regard - importing qualified doctors from India and Poland isn't necessary (theres an increasing queue of disappointing medical graduates having to give up a career in medicine due to being out competing for limited training contracts), it is simply easier and cheaper in the short term. It was a short term fix for NHS resourcing issues allowing Blair to smash waiting lists but created a never ending supply/demand need when the strategic fix should have been to boost training resource allowing more places to be opened up.
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We’d need to start significantly improving the working conditions of doctors, and continue to bring their pay back up to its real term levels a couple of decade ago, to stop having to rely so heavily on doctors from other nations. At the minute, British medical graduates go abroad in significant numbers, or step away from working in the NHS, due to the unreasonable demands placed upon them.
 
Mikey10 said:
We’d need to start significantly improving the working conditions of doctors, and continue to bring their pay back up to its real term levels a couple of decade ago, to stop having to rely so heavily on doctors from other nations. At the minute, British medical graduates go abroad in significant numbers, or step away from working in the NHS, due to the unreasonable demands placed upon them.
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There also seems to be a lack of placement opportunities for trainee graduate doctors which in turn limits the amount of university spaces for them so that needs to be resolved as well.
I don’t have a clue how that works but assume it involves funding so it’s just another strain on the necessary public spend. And generally speaking no one wants to pay more in taxes to fund it but yet so many people complain about not being able to see an English doctor.
 
I just despair at the amount of disinformation that circulates. I’ve managed to get into yet another “Next Door” app conversation (on top of previous ones, including one I had at the weekend with a particular horrible individual who is the only person I have openly called a racist on that app and whom someone else said had previously been banned, had re registered under a different name but was a nasty piece of work as well as a racist , which made me a little worried) but anyway the comments earlier about education are important bit I don’t think anyone wants to listen. I continually counter against “well they pass through other safe counties before they come here” and “they are a danger to our women and children” and “I saw some of theme the other day and they stared and made me feel uncomfortable”. And that’s nothing compared to the poster I mentioned at the weekend.
We are in a bad place right now.

Edit : I probably should delete the Next Door app but I feel compelled to counter some of the utter rubbish that is posted, although I try to keep comments to the local area but sometimes get dragged into what posters from further afield say.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I just despair at the amount of disinformation that circulates. I’ve managed to get into yet another “Next Door” app conversation (on top of previous ones, including one I had at the weekend with a particular horrible individual who is the only person I have openly called a racist on that app and whom someone else said had previously been banned, had re registered under a different name but was a nasty piece of work as well as a racist , which made me a little worried) but anyway the comments earlier about education are important bit I don’t think anyone wants to listen. I continually counter against “well they pass through other safe counties before they come here” and “they are a danger to our women and children” and “I saw some of theme the other day and they stared and made me feel uncomfortable”. And that’s nothing compared to the poster I mentioned at the weekend.
We are in a bad place right now.

Edit : I probably should delete the Next Door app but I feel compelled to counter some of the utter rubbish that is posted, although I try to keep comments to the local area but sometimes get dragged into what posters from further afield say.
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I think the "pass through other safe countries" is something that is pretty hard to counter in people's heads and even now in international law with the treaty the UK has recently signed with France where both countries acknowledge that nobody travelling from the France to the UK has a legitimate right to asylum in the UK.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I think the "pass through other safe countries" is something that is pretty hard to counter in people's heads and even now in international law with the treaty the UK has recently signed with France where both countries acknowledge that nobody travelling from the France to the UK has a legitimate right to asylum in the UK.
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Are you sure about that?
 
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