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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Mikey10 said:
Has obviously drunk from the same water fountain in Television Centre as David Icke and Neil Oliver.
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I was listening to a File on 4 (Radio 4) investigation into "Hope Sussex", a school (sorry, not a school, a "community hub") for homeschooling children taken out of mainstream schools. Run by anti-vaxxers (covid was a pLandemic), anti-establishment, ex-BNP members. One of them quoted David Icke early into the programme which was all I needed to know really. But I feel sorry for those kids.
Worth a listen on BBC Sounds.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I was listening to a File on 4 (Radio 4) investigation into "Hope Sussex", a school (sorry, not a school, a "community hub") for homeschooling children taken out of mainstream schools. Run by anti-vaxxers (covid was a pLandemic), anti-establishment, ex-BNP members. One of them quoted David Icke early into the programme which was all I needed to know really. But I feel sorry for those kids.
Worth a listen on BBC Sounds.
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I am listening now, its fascinating
 
Mikey10 said:
Was hearing the same thing about Nick Clegg in 2010, as well as Change UK in 2019 being the party that would alter the face of British politics forever.

A week’s a long time in politics, never mind four years. Who knows what the political landscape will look like by 2029.

Farage (and Trump) could be dead by then.
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To be fair Lib Dems under Clegg and Change UK never had a sustained 7-10 point poll lead. If current polling is repeated at a GE then Reform will end up with the most seats in Parliament. The more accurate MRP poll by YouGov suggested though might not be enough for Farage to be PM, suggested that most likely outcome is that Starmer might be able to cling on to power in a minority government by cobbling together Lib Dems, SNP, Greens etc in either a very messy coalition or a confidence and supply arrangement. Would make for an utterly disastrous 5 years because the government would have to get pretty much every non-Reform MP to be available and on-side to get anything through Parliament and any rebels at all would basically block anything.

EDIT: just seen a more up-to-date MRP poll by electoral calculus that predicts a Reform majority of 44, if a GE were held today. While you're right about Lib Dems under Clegg they never enjoyed that sort of polling. There would have to be a serious dropping of the ball by Farage or a Tory resurgence to prevent them having a huge number of seats post 2029. Accurate MRP polling is putting their lowest possible position as being the largest party in Parliament but prevented from governing by a rag-tag coalition to their highest possible position being a super-majority.

I'd say only a Boris Johnson return for the tories could dent the Reform march...

The other alternative is that Labour take drastic action on immigration. But I dont think the political will is there in the party to take the kind of action that would kill Reform's current primary appeal.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
The other alternative is that Labour take drastic action on immigration. But I dont think the political will is there in the party to take the kind of action that would kill Reform's current primary appeal
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What steps could Labour take, or steal from Farages playbook, to control immigration. Taking into consideration, that as a starting point Brexit did give us full control over migration to our country?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What steps could Labour take, or steal from Farages playbook, to control immigration. Taking into consideration, that as a starting point Brexit did give us full control over migration to our country?
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Set an economic migrant quota at a level to ensure total population level immediately peaks, then start to gradually decrease. This mainly done by stopping all low paid work visas, only allowing highly skilled and post-university permits. Basically end social dumping by big businesses
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What steps could Labour take, or steal from Farages playbook, to control immigration. Taking into consideration, that as a starting point Brexit did give us full control over migration to our country?
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Well Reform policy is:
Leave the ECHR
Apply a strict immediate return/deportation policy to illegal migration
Freeze net migration (1 in 1 out policy) for legal migration.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What steps could Labour take, or steal from Farages playbook, to control immigration. Taking into consideration, that as a starting point Brexit did give us full control over migration to our country?
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Didn't Brexit harm our chances of sending people back? Saw something the other day a it how sophisticated networks saw and exploited it and how small boat arrivals came post Brexit and rarely before?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Set an economic migrant quota at a level to ensure total population level immediately peaks, then start to gradually decrease. This mainly done by stopping all low paid work visas, only allowing highly skilled and post-university permits. Basically end social dumping by big businesses
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Or start our own system of kicking the clams out.
 
Baleforce said:
I’d rather they make the case for migration and integration.

Put this this racist right wing rhetoric back into the unacceptable box.
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The case for migration has failed, as its not been managed and current levels are unwanted and unsustainable. Pretty much everyone other than the fringe agrees on that but most are frozen on the route to tackling it.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The case for migration has failed, as its not been managed and current levels are unwanted and unsustainable. Pretty much everyone other than the fringe agrees on that but most are frozen on the route to tackling it.
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No one has a plan

Reform bird recently said leave them in the ocean "to drown"....."well it can't continue"

I mean fudging hell
 
Grays_1890 said:
Didn't Brexit harm our chances of sending people back? Saw something the other day a it how sophisticated networks saw and exploited it and how small boat arrivals came post Brexit and rarely before?
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How did it harm our chances? Because we are now outside of EU relationships?.
I don't think there's anything sophisticated about it...rolling the dice on people's lives for
Looking at Small boats...Small boats look to contribute between 25k and 40k of arrivals (since Brexit) so approx 6-9% of net migration. That's NET.
So if we sunk all boats on entering our waters that's the size of dent we would put in 'the problem'.
 
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