You're the one who said we need major investment. I was answering that.
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Tottenham vs Wycombe / Luton
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You're the one who said we need major investment. I was answering that.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
Tell that to the "clean sheet" disciplines. It's a team game and we need to perform in all areas of the pitch, we'll achieve nothing if we concentrate on one area and set our ambitions not to lose.
You're cherry picking part of the post. You and others were originally going on about over reacting to pre season results when no one had complained about the results. The need for investment is a different debate altogether....
Frank was brought in to improve the players and how tge team plays. Maybe give him a bit of time to work.
Absolutely. With the young crop I'm sure he will, others I'm not so sure. I think a few of them are going to be let go, let's see...
RunTMC
Peter Taylor
I actually don’t believe this. I think people would say it’s great that we played well but it’s meaningless as it’s preseason, let’s season how we get on with real games. I think this site is broadly mature and sensible, with a few outliers of course.
I agree this site is balanced and fine. But you can look at previous pre seasons threads and see plenty fawning over our football, no mention of 'it doesn't matter it's just about getting some exercise in.'
It works both ways, and everyone knows pre season is not to be taken too seriously, but it doesn't mean there aren't positives and negatives to be observed. People have mentioned how the likes of Kudus are looking good, there doesn't seem to be the same retaliation about how it's just pre season and not to take anything from it then....
ricky2tricky4city
Andy Thompson
Someone could accuse you of making up your own narrative regarding Frank considering he's been in the door 5 minutes.
A manager can have a great influence on a team, (hell, that's literally their remit) and by definition they are different to the last guy, so the outcomes are potentially different.
I'm not saying it potentially can't be the same BUT you are saying it will.
Not really, I haven't mentioned Frank. I believe he will develop our younger players well, but at the same time we have players who are past the potential stage and aren't good enough - Frank isn't going to improve everyone.
The fact that we have signed a player from West Ham, a team who are pretty low down in the pecking order and who isn't even their best attacker yet has come in and is clearly our most creative attacker says it all about the quality of our squad attacking wise. Our attack and midfield needs some quality added to it, regardless of how good Frank will be at improving certain players....
Remind me what team did we sign modric from?
Teams buy from smaller clubs. It's how it works. Palace bought wharton from blackburn. Liverpool bought salah from roma.
You ca't be arguing we only buy players from bigger clubs than us?
They were the standout player in those teams. Kudus was not, he would never of been sold to us if he was. Our attack is pretty average, we can all cling onto how Frank is going to convert them all into being amazing but let's be realistic. Our forwards in comparison to those we are hoping to compete with is not pretty reading....
RunTMC
Peter Taylor
You could be right. I guess we see what we want to see. Good or bad performances, I see preseason threads littered with comments that you can’t take anything from them, it only preseason.
But I think that’s a separate discussion to your overall point that our players aren’t good enough.
ricky2tricky4city
Andy Thompson
By proxy you're poo pooing Frank by saying it's the same old same old.
You might be right, but can't jive with the defeatist dismissive attitude.
SpurMeUp
David Ginola
I think you’re both broadly correct.
The main variable is time. Frank will need time to bring players and the team forward. But he can only work with willing players who have the right attitude. And it won’t be the overnight success.
What we shouldn’t forget is that if you combine the best of the two sides that played yesterday and add in a 60m player we’re passable. Kulu, Solanke and Maddison to return too.
Baby steps. Let’s give Frank time and space to learn about the individuals and team dynamics. We know there is a lot to do. It’s not like walking into the Liverpool job.
The main variable is time. Frank will need time to bring players and the team forward. But he can only work with willing players who have the right attitude. And it won’t be the overnight success.
What we shouldn’t forget is that if you combine the best of the two sides that played yesterday and add in a 60m player we’re passable. Kulu, Solanke and Maddison to return too.
Baby steps. Let’s give Frank time and space to learn about the individuals and team dynamics. We know there is a lot to do. It’s not like walking into the Liverpool job.
parklane1
Vivian Woodward
Some good posts and opinions over the last couple of pages and they ALL have merit, however a preseason friendly with a new manager, new players, new system was always going to take more time together to see progress.
As they say its ALL about o pinions but IMO there are some who are overeacting to what was a poor couple of games. IMO
As they say its ALL about o pinions but IMO there are some who are overeacting to what was a poor couple of games. IMO
I've literally said I believe Frank will improve some of the players? He needs to be given the best tools possible to work with in order to accomplish what we all hope for and currently we are lacking IMO, if you think what we have is adequate for him then great but I disagree....
ricky2tricky4city
Andy Thompson
I wouldn't have a clue what is adequate for him as I haven't a clue what level of performance Franks management skills will bring. And neither have you.
That's my point.
Let's apply the @Bedfordspurs rule. Reconvene in November
Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
Surely we have tooI wouldn't have a clue what is adequate for him as I haven't a clue what level of performance Franks management skills will bring. And neither have you.
That's my point.
Let's apply the @Bedfordspurs rule. Reconvene in November
And then the big review is second half of the season
Bullet
Barry Daines
Performances were a bit flat, but of course we did divide the squad in 2, and it is VERY early days with nothing riding on the outcome.
But cheer up, I'm pretty pleased with this team:
....................Vicario
Porro Romero VdV Udogie
.........Bentancur PlayerX
.............Maddison
Kudus Solanke PlayerZ
We can all argue with the formation and/or who Players X and Z should be e.g.
X Sarr Biss Bergvall (Gray)
Z Richie Tel Odobert (Son Johnson Deki)
We could still have 1 or 2 big signings still to come in, assuming we spend what we normally do, so X and Z could be new stars.
But cheer up, I'm pretty pleased with this team:
....................Vicario
Porro Romero VdV Udogie
.........Bentancur PlayerX
.............Maddison
Kudus Solanke PlayerZ
We can all argue with the formation and/or who Players X and Z should be e.g.
X Sarr Biss Bergvall (Gray)
Z Richie Tel Odobert (Son Johnson Deki)
We could still have 1 or 2 big signings still to come in, assuming we spend what we normally do, so X and Z could be new stars.
totalspurs
Matthew Etherington
Just get Eze and Palihina/Wharton for z and x and we have a proper team.
Push the boat out and pay a bit more and be brave... but this is Levy we are talking about so won't happen.