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Lilbaz said:
The age of consent is 16 because otherwise you'll be giving a lot of young people criminal records.
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Yes age of consent is based on what is realistic - bearing in mind that having sex with someone unable to consent is statutory rape. Anyone that has had to deal with the realities of the fatality rate amongst and caused by teenage drivers knows the driving age should be higher.
 
As it's us that vote the government into power and considering how badly we've been governed for just about as long as I can remember I'm not sure there's an argument for anyone to have a vote.
 
Lilbaz said:
The age of consent is 16 because otherwise you'll be giving a lot of young people criminal records.
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That was part of my point.
Ideally you'd have an age of consent then an age at which you are allowed to conceive. But that's unrealistic.
The age of consent, of course, is higher than 16 in some countries, including Western ones
 
glasgowspur said:
In Scotland they wanted to make voting age 16 but age of criminal responsibility 25 because until then you don't have the mental capacity or experience to know right from wrong.
The SNP, the party that keeps on giving.
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Haha they have followed the "brain does not hit maturity till 25" line

I am torn by the argument TBH, I see many an idiot in their 40s and 50s who get the right to vote, I don't think people of 16 are intellectually stunted like others, in fact I think they are likely more engaged and keen to learn, including about life than adults who have made staunch and firm decisions, like deciding to travel to Southport to beat up Muslim shopkeepers and pull down a mosque.

But that said, you can't account for d1ckheads in life, so I would likely keep as is and not give idiots more air time crying about unfair systems, despite much of the data suggestion Farage would be a massive winner in the change .........etc etc
 
Never a good look for a politician (especially a right-wing one) when they’re struggling badly in an interview with Laura K, but that’s what happened this morning to the MP for Clacton.

He would cut public expenditure, but didn’t seem to be on top of the details as to why Reform’s 19 year-old leader of Warwickshire Council is in the process of spending an additional £2000,000pa to hire more political assistants.

He would re-nationalise 50% of all public utilities but had no idea whether it would cost £1 billion or £50 billion to do that for water alone.

Bringing in people from the private sector would solve all of our problems in the public sector - the reason why that hasn’t happened with the privatisation of all sorts of areas of British life over the past 40 years is because the people who did come in from the private sector weren’t the right sort.

Reform councils are, according to him, struggling to get the information they need to do the job properly due to “obstructionism” but that, apparently, wouldn’t be a bigger issue if they were in government…

…and on and on it went.

Oh, and yet again he wasn’t asked anything about Brexit.
 
Mikey10 said:
Never a good look for a politician (especially a right-wing one) when they’re struggling badly in an interview with Laura K, but that’s what happened this morning to the MP for Clacton.

He would cut public expenditure, but didn’t seem to be on top of the details as to why Reform’s 19 year-old leader of Warwickshire Council is in the process of spending an additional £2000,000pa to hire more political assistants.

He would re-nationalise 50% of all public utilities but had no idea whether it would cost £1 billion or £50 billion to do that for water alone.

Bringing in people from the private sector would solve all of our problems in the public sector - the reason why that hasn’t happened with the privatisation of all sorts of areas of British life over the past 40 years is because the people who did come in from the private sector weren’t the right sort.

Reform councils are, according to him, struggling to get the information they need to do the job properly due to “obstructionism” but that, apparently, wouldn’t be a bigger issue if they were in government…

…and on and on it went.

Oh, and yet again he wasn’t asked anything about Brexit.
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Most people don't watch these programmes. Nor PMQs. People never understood Boris Johnson's unrelenting popularity despite being unprepared for interviews and using PMQs as an opportunity to make soundbites that were unrelated to the Qs being asked. Its because Johnson knew that the audience he needed to reach were those whose only ingestion of politics outside of a GE campaign was a fleeting highlight clip of PMQs on the 6 o'clock news where a clip of a jovial BJ making a quip causing laughter across the Tory benches would make him popular.

Similarly, Farage's audience do not give a f**k about any of the things you've mentioned there. As to this obsession amongst some about asking Farage about Brexit ....Farage didn't call a referendum. Farage wasnt even a leading figure in the campaign, which on the leave side was dominated by Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings. Farage wasnt involved in any of the negotiations to leave or in invoking Article 50. Or in any subsequent renegotiations. And most people do not care about Brexit and are absolutely over the issue. Farage is campaigning on one issue right now: the issue most people currently care about and that issue will absolutely decide the next general election.

The way to tackle Farage isnt to "get him" with complex questions about economics that frankly, most people will not understand or give a f*** about. The way to stop the unrelenting march up the polls is to turn the immigration taps off. Its angering more and more people. The deal Starmer did with Macron has most people I know apocalyptic with contempt. Labour are floundering and are clearly economically incompetent in most people's eyes so at the end of the day you're going to end up with: "whoever i vote for, we are f*cked, but theres only one person willing to listen and act on the main issue boiling my tinkle". Its an instinctively difficult issue for Labour; hence the current inertia causing the surge in Reform popularity. While you had the tories in power with Braverman and Patel at least attempting to tackle the issue, Farage felt like he was still on the relative fringes.

As to the undisguised snidiness regarding a 21 year old being elected council leader - I thought 16 year olds were mature and intelligent enough to be able to be involved in history-defining decisions - so which is it?
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
Most people don't watch these programmes. Nor PMQs. People never understood Boris Johnson's unrelenting popularity despite being unprepared for interviews and using PMQs as an opportunity to make soundbites that were unrelated to the Qs being asked. Its because Johnson knew that the audience he needed to reach were those whose only ingestion of politics outside of a GE campaign was a fleeting highlight clip of PMQs on the 6 o'clock news where a clip of a jovial BJ making a quip causing laughter across the Tory benches would make him popular.

Similarly, Farage's audience do not give a f**k about any of the things you've mentioned there. As to this obsession amongst some about asking Farage about Brexit ....Farage didn't call a referendum. Farage wasnt even a leading figure in the campaign, which on the leave side was dominated by Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings. Farage wasnt involved in any of the negotiations to leave or in invoking Article 50. Or in any subsequent renegotiations. And most people do not care about Brexit and are absolutely over the issue. Farage is campaigning on one issue right now: the issue most people currently care about and that issue will absolutely decide the next general election.

The way to tackle Farage isnt to "get him" with complex questions about economics that frankly, most people will not understand or give a f*** about. The way to stop the unrelenting march up the polls is to turn the immigration taps off. Its angering more and more people. The deal Starmer did with Macron has most people I know apocalyptic with contempt. Labour are floundering and are clearly economically incompetent in most people's eyes so at the end of the day you're going to end up with: "whoever i vote for, we are f*cked, but theres only one person willing to listen and act on the main issue boiling my tinkle". Its an instinctively difficult issue for Labour; hence the current inertia causing the surge in Reform popularity. While you had the tories in power with Braverman and Patel at least attempting to tackle the issue, Farage felt like he was still on the relative fringes.

As to the undisguised snidiness regarding a 21 year old being elected council leader - I thought 16 year olds were mature and intelligent enough to be able to be involved in history-defining decisions - so which is it?
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Considering some of your personal situation you've bravely shared in the past...I'd just say.....it's Sunday mate..the weather's a bit cack but the kids are on holiday.😍
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Most people don't watch these programmes. Nor PMQs. People never understood Boris Johnson's unrelenting popularity despite being unprepared for interviews and using PMQs as an opportunity to make soundbites that were unrelated to the Qs being asked. Its because Johnson knew that the audience he needed to reach were those whose only ingestion of politics outside of a GE campaign was a fleeting highlight clip of PMQs on the 6 o'clock news where a clip of a jovial BJ making a quip causing laughter across the Tory benches would make him popular.

Similarly, Farage's audience do not give a f**k about any of the things you've mentioned there. As to this obsession amongst some about asking Farage about Brexit ....Farage didn't call a referendum. Farage wasnt even a leading figure in the campaign, which on the leave side was dominated by Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings. Farage wasnt involved in any of the negotiations to leave or in invoking Article 50. Or in any subsequent renegotiations. And most people do not care about Brexit and are absolutely over the issue. Farage is campaigning on one issue right now: the issue most people currently care about and that issue will absolutely decide the next general election.

The way to tackle Farage isnt to "get him" with complex questions about economics that frankly, most people will not understand or give a f*** about. The way to stop the unrelenting march up the polls is to turn the immigration taps off. Its angering more and more people. The deal Starmer did with Macron has most people I know apocalyptic with contempt. Labour are floundering and are clearly economically incompetent in most people's eyes so at the end of the day you're going to end up with: "whoever i vote for, we are f*cked, but theres only one person willing to listen and act on the main issue boiling my tinkle". Its an instinctively difficult issue for Labour; hence the current inertia causing the surge in Reform popularity. While you had the tories in power with Braverman and Patel at least attempting to tackle the issue, Farage felt like he was still on the relative fringes.

As to the undisguised snidiness regarding a 21 year old being elected council leader - I thought 16 year olds were mature and intelligent enough to be able to be involved in history-defining decisions - so which is it?
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What is Garage's big issue at the moment? I'm not sure there will be many Drill Baby Drillers left at all by the next GE, the rate the climate is collapsing. Only perhaps those who have been busy buying up land in the only places of the global that will be left habitable - Siberia and northern Canada.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Really? Was in London this week on Friday and place was buzzing, weather was tremendous, lovely to see people out enjoying themselves
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Because between myself and my wife we have 60 days paid holiday (she buys 5 days and luckily I have a very generous entitlement), but context is the summer holidays on their own are 42 days. We aren't entitled to any child benefit because my salary + my company car puts my p11d value over £80,000 (they put the entire retail guide value of the car in your annual p11d for tax and benefits calculation purposes which is one of those sly taxes on the middle classes that nobody talks about - because if you have a company car you must be privileged right and ripe for a good f***ing over). so we are paying for wrap-around care at school which effectively wipes out my wife's entire annual salary and means we dont have enough to pay for holiday clubs so there is a tonne of times during the holidays where we have to scrape by trying to work from home while looking after 3 kids under the age of 7 one of which is autistic and its f***ing stressful. Does my head in. The last time we actually went on a holiday was in 2019 before covid and my girls were born. We cant afford to now.
 
Gutter Boy said:
£85b for stealing our rain and pumping brick into our rivers.

How anyone sees non-public ownership of amenities as viable is completely beyond me.
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They should give them prison sentences. If i poison your dog or you i would be arrested. But the water companies are doing it daily. If they can't afford to do the job properly let them go bankrupt then nationalise for a pound each. No giving the owners billions more.
 
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