Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[scaramanga]

Its being denied because women and kids are still not being believed, so it should be campaigned that a massive part of the last report is not being actioned. As I have said before, the crime here isn't not having a new enquiry, its not actioning the last IMO.

And I would have more faith in peoples intentions if they were actively calling out the nonces in their own circles........Like Robinson and his best UFC mate who was banged up in Thailand for being a serial nonce and people in the reform party were not posting propaganda supporting Jimmy fudging Saville

Noncery being ignored absolutely everywhere..........this country is grim for it

I've yet to hear anyone say that women and children are always believed and that this problem doesn't exist.

Is that something you've heard? Have you heard anyone heading up a council or govt say that in order to keep votes?

It's not the same thing.

 

[Grays_1890]

I've yet to hear anyone say that women and children are always believed and that this problem doesn't exist.

Is that something you've heard? Have you heard anyone heading up a council or govt say that in order to keep votes?

It's not the same thing.

Course it's the same thing, women and children are being let down by the government and establishment over score of issues, not just the grooming gangs and the off refusal to profile criminals. You are either upset about it all or you ain't.

My point is many seem to be only concerned about one corner of the issue where as we all know it and the problems exist in every corner

 

[scaramanga]

Course it's the same thing, women and children are being let down by the government and establishment over score of issues, not just the grooming gangs. You are either upset about it all or you ain't.

My point is many seem to be only concerned about one corner of the issue where as we all know it and the problems exist in every corner

Everyone is upset about it all.

Officials at all levels were telling us this problem didn't exist, that we didn't need an enquiry on it, that it was just racist, "dog whistle" politics.

That hasn't happened with the other issues you've pointed out. That's why nobody had to raise awareness of them.

 

[Grays_1890]

Everyone is upset about it all.

Officials at all levels were telling us this problem didn't exist, that we didn't need an enquiry on it, that it was just racist, "dog whistle" politics.

That hasn't happened with the other issues you've pointed out. That's why nobody had to raise awareness of them.

I don't think that's true though, we had an enquiry where these issues were exposed and the Rochdale grooming gang were convicted off the back of it.

The crime isn't the lack of further enquiry it's a lack of implementing change off the back of the points made across the whole enquiry.

And of course it has happened on the other issues because the problems remain and children and women are still not being believed and taken serious because they might come from broken families, drugs, poor vuneralble upbringing.

The issues that remain are much wider than the refusal to profile the perpetrators which everyone seemingly wants to focus their anger on, which I agree is a MASSIVE issue but it's not the only one.

Anyway fella, I'm off to get comfy for the cricket. Enjoy

 

[LutonSpurs]

Here is a case

BBC News - MI5 lied 'deliberately and repeatedly' in neo-Nazi spy case, BBC tells High Court - BBC News

MI5 lied 'deliberately and repeatedly' in neo-Nazi spy case, BBC tells High Court

MI5 apologises for false evidence but says contempt of court proceedings would not be “appropriate”.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doubt the ethnicity was an issue. The security services don't seem to shy from misogyny or racism.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

I think Bastani and the Telegraph linking up to savage Starmer is just a symptom of how this government has basically managed to just tinkle 90% of people off in its first year.

And you're right, I refer to them as the mob disingenuously because I disagree with their politics but ultimately as you say this comes down to:
- Starmer convinced Corbyn to go with "second EU referendum" on the manifesto in 2019 and it was a f***ing disaster, only to frame Corbyn for the failure.
- He then pretended he'd keep the bulk of his manifesto if he won the leadership only to throw it in the bin.
- He went from "remain will be on the ballot box" speech to "we will not join the SM and customs union on my watch"
- He went from "i'm liberal left wing and socialist" to the politician most closely compared to Enoch fu**ing Powell in modern British history with his "island of strangers" speech likely to go down in right-wing folklore.
- He went from railing against "tory sleeze" to publically maxing the expenses budget and scrounging the most freebies he could as soon as he made it to office. Not to mention giving his largest donor the keys to Parliament and having half the cabinet seemingly stay at his flat - f**king weird.
- He's supposedly a long time friend of Reeves so just on a personal level to allow that absolute humiliation to happen today where Badenoch is able to literally point out publically how unwilling he is to properly back her across the dispatch box .....that shows the f**king duplicitous nature of the guy and the complete lack of empathy.
- The guy is literally the most slimey, self-centred, narcissistic, u-turning, back-stabbing sh*t-show of a politician we've had in office.

Boris Johnson and Michael gove say hello

Nigel farage is a another example of a slimy self centred narcissistic brickshow of a politician that is far worse than starmer

 

[LutonSpurs]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944407930419265607

When they are caught on camera they have to admit it. The IDF lie and murder children. This is OK though as there is a democracy as far as Scara is concerned.

 

[scaramanga]

Here is a case

BBC News - MI5 lied 'deliberately and repeatedly' in neo-Nazi spy case, BBC tells High Court - BBC News

MI5 lied 'deliberately and repeatedly' in neo-Nazi spy case, BBC tells High Court

MI5 apologises for false evidence but says contempt of court proceedings would not be “appropriate”.

www.bbc.co.uk

Doubt the ethnicity was an issue. The security services don't seem to shy from misogyny or racism.

So the agency that denied it was in court and investigated for its (lack of) actions. Great, that's how it should be.

We should be seeing similar for all those northern councils, police forces and any senior govt minister that dismissed it - including the PM.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Boris Johnson and Michael gove say hello

Nigel farage is a another example of a slimy self centred narcissistic brickshow of a politician that is far worse than starmer

Farage is who he is. Its all there. Who is Starmer? Nobody knows. Nobody knows what he thinks or what he believes in.

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Farage is who he is. Its all there. Who is Starmer? Nobody knows. Nobody knows what he thinks or what he believes in.

It’s the difference between being nowhere near power and being on power.

When not in power you can promise the earth and not be held power.

When in power you have to govern for all the public not just those who voted for you which requires a degree of compromise. Not entirely defending starmer, but farage is clearly much more of a clam

 

[scaramanga]

It’s the difference between being nowhere near power and being on power.

When not in power you can promise the earth and not be held power.

When in power you have to govern for all the public not just those who voted for you which requires a degree of compromise. Not entirely defending starmer, but farage is clearly much more of a clam

Is what Farage is doing any different to what Starmer did?

Promised the world that everyone with half a brain knew we couldn't afford. Promised to be a different to the last lot.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

It’s the difference between being nowhere near power and being on power.

When not in power you can promise the earth and not be held power.

When in power you have to govern for all the public not just those who voted for you which requires a degree of compromise. Not entirely defending starmer, but farage is clearly much more of a clam

Unsure what Farage is promising that means he is promising the Earth?

 

[johnola]

Unsure what Farage is promising that means he is promising the Earth?

The Earth.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

The Earth.

The core promises from the 2024 manifesto are:
- freeze non-essential immigration
- detain and deport all those arriving on small boats
- End NHS waiting lists
- Lift tax free allowance to £20K
- Cut household energy bills by £500 a household.

I think the NHS waiting list one is the only real stretch promise in my book there. The others are easily achievable and within their control to deliver if elected in a single term.

You contrast that with Starmer - look at his pledges to Labour members to win the leadership and this "we will not raise taxes on working people" has now become "we will not raise taxes on the lowest earners"

 

[Mikey10]

The core promises from the 2024 manifesto are:
- freeze non-essential immigration
- detain and deport all those arriving on small boats
- End NHS waiting lists
- Lift tax free allowance to £20K
- Cut household energy bills by £500 a household.

I think the NHS waiting list one is the only real stretch promise in my book there. The others are easily achievable and within their control to deliver if elected in a single term.

You contrast that with Starmer - look at his pledges to Labour members to win the leadership and this "we will not raise taxes on working people" has now become "we will not raise taxes on the lowest earners"

According to the articles below (and similar ones I’ve read lately) Farage is promising billions per annum in tax cuts which are, to a large extent, unfunded.

'Trussonomics On Steroids': Farage Compared To Failed Tory PM Over 'Unfunded' Reform Spending Spree

The right-winger said he would bring back winter fuel payments, lift the two-child benefit cap and cut taxes.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Reform policies would 'create a fiscal calamity to rival Liz Truss' - The Economist

Research carried out by The Economist reveals that a Reform government could cause a financial shock that 'rivals or exceeds' Liz Truss's.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Nigel Farage’s Reform pledges £88bn in ‘radical’ tax cuts

Plans ‘do not add up’ and will cost billions of pounds more than claimed, Institute for Fiscal Studies warns

www.ft.com

Nigel Farage’s economic plans are a disaster

Three choices: fiscal implosion, deep austerity or a hasty U-turn

www.economist.com

I just can’t work out why someone who has previously made millions through disaster capitalist practices would plan to do such a thing…

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

According to the articles below (and similar ones I’ve read lately) Farage is promising billions per annum in tax cuts which are, to a large extent, unfunded.

'Trussonomics On Steroids': Farage Compared To Failed Tory PM Over 'Unfunded' Reform Spending Spree

The right-winger said he would bring back winter fuel payments, lift the two-child benefit cap and cut taxes.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Reform policies would 'create a fiscal calamity to rival Liz Truss' - The Economist

Research carried out by The Economist reveals that a Reform government could cause a financial shock that 'rivals or exceeds' Liz Truss's.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Nigel Farage’s Reform pledges £88bn in ‘radical’ tax cuts

Plans ‘do not add up’ and will cost billions of pounds more than claimed, Institute for Fiscal Studies warns

www.ft.com

Nigel Farage’s economic plans are a disaster

Three choices: fiscal implosion, deep austerity or a hasty U-turn

www.economist.com

I just can’t work out why someone who has previously made millions through disaster capitalist practices would plan to do such a thing…

The tax cuts promised are:
- increase the tax free allowance to £20k, which would take most of the lowest earners out of tax liability.
- provide tax break from basic rate income tax to healthcare workers for 3 years (i.e. give them more money without increasing their pay or pension liabilities)
- end green levies on energy production
- reduce fuel duty by 20p per litre
- end VAT on energy bills
- end stamp duty below £750k and cut it above.
- re-introduce the VAT refund scheme for tourist shopping
- abolish inheritance tax for all estates under £2 million
- Cut corporation tax and increase the profit threshold at which it is payable
- increase VAT threshold to £150k
- scrap IR35 regulations
- tax relief of 20% on private medical insurance
- no VAT on private school fees and 20% tax relief for independent schools
- reintroduce the right for private landlords to deduct expenses such as mortgage repayments from rental income when making income tax declarations

All looks like sensible policies to boost growth and tax revenue in the long run to me....

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

The tax cuts promised are: - increase the tax free allowance to £20k, which would take most of the lowest earners out of tax liability. - provide tax break from basic rate income tax to healthcare workers for 3 years (i.e. give them more money without increasing their pay or pension liabilities) - end green levies on energy production - reduce fuel duty by 20p per litre - end VAT on energy bills - end stamp duty below £750k and cut it above. - re-introduce the VAT refund scheme for tourist shopping - abolish inheritance tax for all estates under £2 million - Cut corporation tax and increase the profit threshold at which it is payable - increase VAT threshold to £150k - scrap IR35 regulations - tax relief of 20% on private medical insurance - no VAT on private school fees and 20% tax relief for independent schools - reintroduce the right for private landlords to deduct expenses such as mortgage repayments from rental income when making income tax declarations All looks like sensible policies to boost growth and tax revenue in the long run to me....

The trouble is his promises are not sensibly priced and are disputed by independent bodies such as the office for budgetary responsibility and the institute for fiscal studies.

Reform claim that they have consulted three independent economic advisors in their calculations but refuse to name them. Why the lack of transparency if there is nothing to hide and their calculations are all above board?

 

[yiddo37]

Liz Truss was supposedly a wrecking ball. That worked out well.



Whereas we currently aren’t recruiting enough.

Reform voters will be very tinkled off when they rock up to their appointments to find they’re being looked after by doctors from Africa and India. I live next door to one of them who is in the middle of cancer treatment, and he is. He doesn’t seem to be able to make the connections though.

Those voters will be of a certain age group, between 30 and 70 I would guess. I'm in the middle ish of that age group myself and in all my years of going to the doctors and hospitals I've always been treated well by doctors/nurses from England, Africa, India, Pakistan, Windies, etc. Never crossed my mind where they originally came from and I doubt most if not all Reform voters would think about it either.

 

[Mikey10]

Those voters will be of a certain age group, between 30 and 70 I would guess. I'm in the middle ish of that age group myself and in all my years of going to the doctors and hospitals I've always been treated well by doctors/nurses from England, Africa, India, Pakistan, Windies, etc. Never crossed my mind where they originally came from and I doubt most if not all Reform voters would think about it either.

Anecdotal, but my father-in-law and neighbour (both admirers of Farage) comment on this every time they talk about a hospital appointment or a visit to the doctor. As in, “I saw the doctor. He was Indian. I couldn’t understand a word he was saying and I told him that. ”

That’s an actual verbatim quote.

 

[johnola]

My own experience of the nhs has gone from a 1/10 to a 10/10 recently.

Had reason to go to a&e, was seen triaged and scanned in an 90 minutes, reviewed by Doctor and then registrar and home with prescriptions in five hours.

They did however check my address twice, and they had two different addresses, one 20 years out of date the other 30 years out! It’s that sort of thing they continuously foul up on.