LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
So why the hell would you quote it. Integrity maybe?
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So why the hell would you quote it. Integrity maybe?
What about the government?
"But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”."
Baroness Casey's audit of group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse
The Home Secretary updated the House on the National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse ('grooming gangs') carried out by Baroness Casey.
Because it's a statement against their own interests. It paints Labour and their leftist councils in a terrible light.
One can usually trust a source when they're reporting something inconvenient to them.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
What about the government?
"But on the key issues of ethnicity that I had asked her to examine, she has found continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”."
Baroness Casey's audit of group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse
The Home Secretary updated the House on the National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse ('grooming gangs') carried out by Baroness Casey.www.gov.uk
It is clear from all the evidence this was from social workers who were quoted anonymously. No police ever said it.
Now the stats on child sexual abuse is majority white men by percentage. End of.
3 police forces out of how many.
Now there may be an issue with northern towns and Asian men grooming. I think there probably is
But the problem of men raping kids is not related to colour. So stop with this please.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
That doesn't make it accurate mate.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
Nazir Afzal comments on it were spot on.
In choosing to just follow the right wing rhetoric that these crimes disproportionately appear in asian communities is doing all victims a disservice and actually becomes harmful to the bigger picture when tackling the issue as a whole.
Outside of its reporting on (against) Israel, it tends to be pretty good for a left leaning organisation.
Here's the Graun if you prefer:
"Lady Casey said she found evidence of “over-representation” of Asian and Pakistani heritage men among suspects in local data – collected in Greater Manchester, West and South Yorkshire – and criticised a continued failure to gather robust data at a national level.
The home secretary, Yvette Cooper, confirmed the government would accept all 12 recommendations of Casey’s rapid review, including setting up a statutory inquiry into institutional failures. This marked a significant reversal after months of pressure on Labour to act."
Yep nothing to see here. If you think there is or say there is you are right wing (racist).
fudging laughable if it wasn't so fudging sad.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
You keep parroting the same crap towards people who acknowledge there is a vast issue in this country of CSE and sexual assault just not in one area or amongst one race of people
Not sure why that has to be repeated, but if it's going to be the ignored statement here then needs must
You don't even get what the problem is? It's not muslim men. It's the fact that it wasn't investigated properly for fear of being accused of being racist.
It's you posting about right wing rhetoric when i posted a government report.
It's about a 2 tier justice system in this country.
It's about the lefts holier than though approach to these things where they think they are great white saviours saving the poor little brown people. While the system and this country are being abused.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
I know exactly what the problem is and its the fact that you think it hasn't been covered up in all communities
Where as I know exactly the gravity of these issues and they fact they exist in every single community in this country and are not disproportionate to one community, race or religion
Like the fact that out of 6000 Brits with sexual abuse blots on their copybook only 11 were stopped travelling to nonce on kids abroad, go read the incredibly grim stats on British sexual abuse in Thailand by ex teachers and such from this country to tell me its a one person problem. The 22 EDL members in prison for noncing kids in such a small subscription paints a pretty grim picture, especially from a group whose former leader wants us all to believe its only more likely amongst muslims
This country has a MASSIVE CSE and Sexual assault problem and its everywhere, so no I won't just stand here and lie to myself or others and pretend its more predominant in one community or only covered up in one community (this country has a rich history of it being covered up and everywhere, politics, entertainment, sport)
So do I think it happens in the Muslim Community? YES, do I think its only more likely to happen there..........NO because the facts show its fudgeign everywhere here. I am not blind to the problems, I am just not lying to myself that its only happening in one place.
I don't really get why thats so hard to digest.
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Again I agree thst there is an over representation in grooming cases. However there is an issue with men across the spectrum of skin tones raping children. Not just grooming. Professional nonces like Saville and Glitter. This seems to not be a data point that matters to the right wing.
johnola
Vedran Corluka
The guy's a clam, but this happened an entire day before you posted that:
Rupert Lowe cleared by watchdog over £600k rape gangs inquiry fundraiser
Former Reform UK MP describes complaint against him as a ‘malicious attempt to shut me down’www.telegraph.co.uk
Yeah I saw. I wouldn't be surprised, if like Yaxley, there is some embezzling of donations by these clowns. They don't actually care about tape victims imo. They ingore any case of a white man doing it for some odd reason.
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These are old laws Luton.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
BBC News - Children fetching water killed in Israeli strike in Gaza, emergency officials say
www.bbc.com
Children fetching water killed in Israeli strike in Gaza, emergency officials say
The Israeli military has not yet commented on the strike, which witnesses said hit a crowd queuing to get water at a refugee camp.
www.bbc.com
I don't think anyone with any sense is suggesting that skin colour is a factor in propensity to carry out such a thing.
The concern is councils and our govt(s) failing to investigate due to concerns over racial sensitivity.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
The biggest issue by far which spreads across the entire country is kids and women not being believed full stop because of their age, background and history......
The next when it comes to none action is protectionism of roles within the process, departments don't want to work together to sort this and very often the police are not even invited to be involved in the process because of a huge disconnect
You're probably right. But those are issues people already agree about - I don't see anyone denying them.
This issue has been ignored for years though. The fact that it's taken campaigning from a mental fringe party for people to finally see it is of massive concern.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
People are not campaigning for it to be sorted though either which is why I find all the fringe party dog whistling really disingenuous.
As I keep saying, if like most sane people you have an issue with CSE and sexual abuse in this country you have an issue with it all and all where its being ignored and covered up and as shown recently in Sport, Entertainment and Religion, its being covered up everywhere still too.
This country, unfortunately is full to the brim with nonces
People aren't campaigning because there's nobody denying it exists to win votes.
If there were parts of the country where neckbearded basement dwellers block voted through their local simp leader then maybe some MPs would pander to them and people would have to campaign about it. But that's not happening.
Grays_1890
David Ginola
Its being denied because women and kids are still not being believed, so it should be campaigned that a massive part of the last report is not being actioned. As I have said before, the crime here isn't not having a new enquiry, its not actioning the last IMO.
And I would have more faith in peoples intentions if they were actively calling out the nonces in their own circles........Like Robinson and his best UFC mate who was banged up in Thailand for being a serial nonce and people in the reform party were not posting propaganda supporting Jimmy fudging Saville
Noncery being ignored absolutely everywhere..........this country is grim for it