veryoldspur
John Gorman
Still nearly 35% Ange ion, that's one in three people believe this man should be at our club. What are you thinking?
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Ange in or out?
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Legohamster
Tom Huddlestone
I don't think the Villa squad is *that* good
They just know what they are doing and set up to their strengths
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
There's the faint murmurings of glory, even if it's a long shot. The league is what it is, a competition we have performed awfully in, but there's another competition we're still fighting for. Whilst stating the obvious, it's possible to win it up until it's not.
And a club like ours hasn't been in many semi finals (at least that's what Ange thinks, but I'll forgive his ignorance and all round personality and vibe if he can make history, or if the players can do it despite him!). We might as well enjoy the positives whilst the dream is alive and then once that's done and dusted, there'll always next season to look forward to once we lurch in a different direction
Muttley
Kasey Keller
I don't think this is just your opinion. It is shared by many.
What is interesting is that Ange's temperament has come under a lot of scrutiny this season, much more than last. I genuinely felt at the beginning that he had a decent temperament for a very difficult Spurs job. More than Jose and Conte who were the wrong personality types. It's proven not to be the case though. His temperament under pressure is dubious.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
Nobody these days see "an echo of glory" in failure, if you don't win you're rubbish, winning is everything no matter how it's done. I personally don't think that way. This season has been dreadful but the aim to play attacking football is what I believe we should be about, we've never been a club in my lifetime where we've had a long list of great defenders our priority has been with forwards and midfield greats. The execution of that idea has been terrible. Postercoglu will go but I hope we go for a manager who's focus is on positive play rather than grinding out results.
johnola
Justin Edinburgh
It wasn’t my prediction it was an appraisal.
The midfield is one of the worst in the league.
Muttley
Kasey Keller
It's a great post.
Having conceded 62 goals last season, I was adamant that if Ange could shave 15-20 goals off that and still play front foot football then we'd call that progress. We've conceded 54 from 34 games so the best we can hope for is flat season on season.
With the same squad plus a couple of key additions it should be quite straightforward to find the balance between defence and attack.
Where I'm wondering is where are the midfield and forward greats though. The last ones were Kane, Son, Dembele, Eriksen, Dele. Before that we had Bale, Lennon, Modric, VDV. If you only look back to Redknapp, I don't really see a justification for any of the current lot. Our big advantage is actually numerical. We have a bunch of different options and in a game where you can now use 16 players that is our main strength.
I think that is also why we all get our hopes up on kids like Moore, Williams-Barnett etc. We're all desperate for another Kane to roll off the production line.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
The tactical systems of modern game and coaching have reduced the amount of outstanding creative players, work rate, strength and ability to slavishly follow instructions has produced a high level of competent players.
Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
I don't think that's the modern game per se that has done that. Rather it is something peculiar to British football. Spanish teams for example, are still very technically adept as shown in last year's Euros. And back in the 80s, Glenn Hoddle for all his prodigious creative ability was still only a marginal player for England who preferred the work horse Bryan Robson as the Central Midfielder.
fernadez
Justin Edinburgh
This is the point I was making before about the academy system. It is more in line with how other nations do it, but cause of the way the game is played the actual players being produced are all very similar. Fast, quick feet etc then they jsut get moved into different positions. I haven't seen anyone who's a great passer of the ball or a obvious defender. They all have the same attributes, then it's are they good at the 1v1. None of them have 'personality'. And it's shown at the top level. Look at the money for Maddison and Johnson as an example. Obviously competent (sort of) but a production line system footballers. I can't identify what it is they excel at. If you think back to Modric and Huddlestone as midfielders, both had completely different personalities. It's an massive issue with the game where tactical systems have cb's as playmakers and midfielders reduced to legs. I still maintain that abroad, national teams would have been built around Huddlestone.
It's another reason I like watching Forest and Palace play, it's more a thowback to defined roles and responsibilties. Saudi Sportswashing Machine as well to a degree. Back lines who are concerned with not conceding goals more than playing triangles in the corner flag.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
I think people would be hard put to name many outstanding creative players in European football and they will be in the usual half dozen top clubs the rest are good technicians.
Muttley
Kasey Keller
Yeah, I also think that we used to think of midfield maestros in the middle of the park. Now that is where the workhorses are. The maestros either play 10 or tuck themselves into the left of right channel. I could imagine Gazza or Hoddle coming along nowadays and we'd hardly seem them in centre mid. Perhaps that is why Modric really gets the plaudits as he always managed to remain a centre mid.
Hoddle suited a 4231 as the 10. As a cm? Not when you have 2 strikers in a 442.
I guess it gives teams/clubs a form of consistency that negates being beholden to individual players - easier to swap out components in a system than it is to replace a player with a specific skill set that the team relies upon. Beneficial to the teams but loses the spectacle of top class players doing their thing
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Steffen Freund
A player like Hoddle was best suited to play his own game, he hurt teams when he had the ball so just give it to him.
Which is why you have him as a 10 in a 4231. Can drift.
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
one of the best for creativity is Rayan Cherki at Lyon
No one will buy him
Because he doesn’t play the “system”
Silly McSilly Face
Wilson Palacios
Yeah you do get the odd maverick that is very creative but never gets a career at the top level. We've had Adel Taraabt in recent years and Tanguy N'Dombele ....shame the latter is our record signing!
Was a very interesting interview where some older players actually bemoaned the use of play out the back because "by giving defenders so much more of the ball, you are in fact taking away ball time from the most technical players in the squad (midfielders)"