HR question

[Grays_1890]

A mate of mine just whatsapp'd me and said he has been offered a job where the holidays are 20 days but forced to take 3 days over Christmas so his yearly allocation is 17 days.

Surely thats wrong no? Is that even legally

 

[Glenda's Legs]

A mate of mine just whatsapp'd me and said he has been offered a job where the holidays are 20 days but forced to take 3 days over Christmas so his yearly allocation is 17 days.

Surely thats wrong no? Is that even legally

Yes it is legal
https://worksmart.org.uk/work-right...loyer-make-me-take-my-holidays-when-they-want

I recall personally working in the building industry many years ago I had to take a week at Easter and a week at Xmas which was a pain. Not sure whether there is the same shutdown now.
It has also been the norm in some factories in the past.
But it’s not something you hear so much of nowadays. But it is legal.

20 days leave sounds pretty low in any case.

 

[Grays_1890]

Yeh I said 20 sounds really low.....just a poor employer

 

[Surfless]

some companies are now saying 20 plus UK bank holidays - basically a cheap way of getting out of 15 or so days holiday.

Its entirely legal to offer as many days holiday the company wants at its discretion I think and they absolutely can enforce a period of holiday - it could be Xmas, or a seasonal factory shut down, or even stock take in some industries.

 

[monkeybarry]

The law states a minimum of 27 days leave (which can include bank holidays).

 

[Surfless]

The law states a minimum of 27 days leave (which can include bank holidays).

that's all very well but if the contract stipulates less for a valid reason, and you sign it....

 

[Grays_1890]

I think thats where he is with it....20 days plus bank holidays

 

[Glenda's Legs]

that's all very well but if the contract stipulates less for a valid reason, and you sign it....

I’m not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure that if that’s the law (for a full time employee) then the law would prevail and that part of the contract would be invalid if challenged.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Some manufacturing jobs still have all holidays prescribed - ie shutdown weeks

 

[Kandi1977]

that's all very well but if the contract stipulates less for a valid reason, and you sign it....

Then you bring in the union

 

[Kandi1977]

Some manufacturing jobs still have all holidays prescribed - ie shutdown weeks

Furtunately that is not allowed in Norway. If the company decides to shut down for a period, that's solely on them. Does not affect anyone's vacation days. And so it should be!

 

[scaramanga]

Then you bring in the union

And the employer finds a good reason for the troublemaker to find alternative employment

 

[scaramanga]

A mate of mine just whatsapp'd me and said he has been offered a job where the holidays are 20 days but forced to take 3 days over Christmas so his yearly allocation is 17 days.

Surely thats wrong no? Is that even legally

It's entirely legal and very normal in manufacturing.

We do the same and offer people the opportunity to earn more annual leave through continual employment at high attendance and performance.

 

[Grays_1890]

Cheers guys, been much helpful

 

[monkeybarry]

that's all very well but if the contract stipulates less for a valid reason, and you sign it....

Statute supersedes contract law.
But 20 days annual leave plus 8 bank/public holidays is above the stat level

 

[ringo]

Tell him he has to respect the rule of law, even if it is morally unjust.
Sorry - wrong thread.

 

[Kandi1977]

And the employer finds a good reason for the troublemaker to find alternative employment

It's not about 1 person. It's about an employer not following the rules and regulations. Not too difficult to understand, is it?

 

[Parklaner81]

I think thats where he is with it....20 days plus bank holidays

I was under the impression that this is the legal minimum for full time workers (equates to 28 days when including the public holidays).

 

[scaramanga]

It's not about 1 person. It's about an employer not following the rules and regulations. Not too difficult to understand, is it?

And my point was that an employee who becomes a union troublemaker won't be an employee for long.

 

[Moby]

And my point was that an employee who becomes a union troublemaker won't be an employee for long.

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