Xavi Simons

[MartyFunkhouser]

Really interesting topic. Plus I imagine, worth a fortune if you can peddle a solution.

Players are fit to an extreme limit now but seems a lack of robustness that comes with those limits.

 

[Gutter Boy]

The only test that works for an ACL is a scan

Disagree. Scans are actually often inconclusive (MRIs are, unless there's something better than that come online very recently) and they have to do arthroscopies to tell.

Players can usually tell themselves by sprinting or kicking a ball hard - the resistance you need for those isn't there and there's a slight burning sensations

Physios can often tell by putting the knee into their shoulder and doing a particular rocking thing

 

[Gutter Boy]

A rupture worse than a tear as well. He won’t be back until towards the end of next season.

It's the same thing with an ACL. You don't get partial tears, it's binary

 

[Gutter Boy]

Agreed. There are some circumstances that a manager can cause the issues e.g. Rushing players back, but every manager does that. I still wonder if there is something underlying at our club to have so many ACLs and injuries as a whole.

Boot design (choice of studs, particularly wearing blades) is what the science points to

Plastic weaving in the turf is another possible avenue that has correlation

ACLs are caused specifically when there is movement in the upper limb, but the foot sticks. It's where something has prevented a slip, when the slip would actually have saved the player/avoided the injury.

 

[robp135]

It's the same thing with an ACL. You don't get partial tears, it's binary

Uuuumm. No.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Agreed. There are some circumstances that a manager can cause the issues e.g. Rushing players back, but every manager does that. I still wonder if there is something underlying at our club to have so many ACLs and injuries as a whole.

It’s scary because it seems such a recurring thing
I wonder how much comes back to volume of games, maybe even footwear choices has an impact
It’s frequent in the women’s game I know but obviously men and women aren’t identical

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Disagree. Scans are actually often inconclusive (MRIs are, unless there's something better than that come online very recently) and they have to do arthroscopies to tell.

Players can usually tell themselves by sprinting or kicking a ball hard - the resistance you need for those isn't there and there's a slight burning sensations

Physios can often tell by putting the knee into their shoulder and doing a particular rocking thing

I asked the surgeon who lives two houses up and he said a scan but what does he know

 

[Ace Face]

It’s rife in football now. Seen experts on podcasts say the increase in acceleration and deceleration in the game is a massive issue. Also where fatigue would drive limits on players those limits have gone through the roof with supplements and masking agents.

We are seeing more and more long-term injuries across many major sports now…the NFL being a prime example…not just football.

We can say it’s about too many games, or training regimens, or whatever, but I honestly believe it’s the intensity of modern sporting competition in general. Players are being required to push their bodies to such extremes they are ultimately giving out in areas where strength training doesn’t give an advantage, and maybe even compounds the issue, such as ligaments.

A guy running at a faster speed and carrying more weight will put more stress on ligaments when turning quickly, or being tackled by another faster, stronger, heavier opponent, than he would’ve twenty-plus years ago.

 

[robp135]

We are seeing more and more long-term injuries across many major sports now…the NFL being a prime example…not just football.

We can say it’s about too many games, or training regimens, or whatever, but I honestly believe it’s the intensity of modern sporting competition in general. Players are being required to push their bodies to such extremes they are ultimately giving out in areas where strength training doesn’t give an advantage, and maybe even compounds the issue, such as ligaments.

A guy running at a faster speed and carrying more weight will put more stress on ligaments when turning quickly, or being tackled by another faster, stronger, heavier opponent, than he would’ve twenty-plus years ago.

I think PED's have a part of play as well. The level of drug testing in most major sports is so minimal its likely many of these players are on stuff. But the teams and medical staff cannot be involved which will create issues.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Forums would be boring if we all stuck closely to what we know for sure. How much weight you give an opinion is up to the person reading the post. But to complain about it seems pointless to me.

Yeah I find this site so boring now the Levy out thread stopped.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

We are seeing more and more long-term injuries across many major sports now…the NFL being a prime example…not just football.

We can say it’s about too many games, or training regimens, or whatever, but I honestly believe it’s the intensity of modern sporting competition in general. Players are being required to push their bodies to such extremes they are ultimately giving out in areas where strength training doesn’t give an advantage, and maybe even compounds the issue, such as ligaments.

A guy running at a faster speed and carrying more weight will put more stress on ligaments when turning quickly, or being tackled by another faster, stronger, heavier opponent, than he would’ve twenty-plus years ago.

Thats pretty much the summary given on the podcast. Quicker, running longer, sharper turns and being able to go longer because of supplements and caffeine.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Multibillion pound companies often employ outside help to look at a situation they can't resolve. Usually they employ management consultants but fans on football forums might have a magic answer

There are millions of people who can tell you what you're doing wrong very few know how to put it right.

 

[P.D.]

Agreed. There are some circumstances that a manager can cause the issues e.g. Rushing players back, but every manager does that. I still wonder if there is something underlying at our club to have so many ACLs and injuries as a whole.

We should definitely be looking at the medical department, even if there's nothing to it when there's as many injuries as we get it would be neglectful just to ignore it.

I remember a few years back there was talk of building more facilities at the training ground and having all of our own equipment for medicals, scans etc like Man Utd have but never heard anything since.

 

[Gutter Boy]

There are millions of people who can tell you what you're doing wrong very few know how to put it right.

Re-hire Geoff Scott. That was when it all went to brick, when he fell out with Ange (about protecting red zone players) and Munn got rid of him

 

[robp135]

Multibillion pound companies often employ outside help to look at a situation they can't resolve. Usually they employ management consultants but fans on football forums might have a magic answer

Most of them complete charlatans.

 

[Robspur12]

We are seeing more and more long-term injuries across many major sports now…the NFL being a prime example…not just football.

We can say it’s about too many games, or training regimens, or whatever, but I honestly believe it’s the intensity of modern sporting competition in general. Players are being required to push their bodies to such extremes they are ultimately giving out in areas where strength training doesn’t give an advantage, and maybe even compounds the issue, such as ligaments.

A guy running at a faster speed and carrying more weight will put more stress on ligaments when turning quickly, or being tackled by another faster, stronger, heavier opponent, than he would’ve twenty-plus years ago.

The main question for me is, are Spurs an outlier in terms of injuries compared to our peers? And if we are, why? It certainly feels that way over the last 2 seasons.

 

[Robspur12]

Most of them complete charlatans.

Make good money out of it though..

 

[Robspur12]

There are millions of people who can tell you what you're doing wrong very few know how to put it right.

Lots will suggest ways to put it right. Whether their "solutions" are correct is another matter.

 

[Ace Face]

Lots will suggest ways to put it right. Whether their "solutions" are correct is another matter.

Consultants with no real skin in the game can appear so intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject.

Ask them to fully stand behind the results of their implemented systems and it’s usually another matter altogether.

 

[Ace Face]

The main question for me is, are Spurs an outlier in terms of injuries compared to our peers? And if we are, why? It certainly feels that way over the last 2 seasons.

We are an outlier for sure but not alone. Real Madrid for example.

But not conducting a full, very thorough review of our Medical Dept. and their interactions with the playing staff would be complete and utter negligence given our recent issues.

Which is why I expect nothing to happen.