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World Cup 2026: Mexico, USA and Canada

glorygloryeze? said:
I disagree. MGW and Wharton are excellent passers and have shown they can play under pressure/tight spaces. Heck, even Maddison and Grealish have such qualities to certain extent. Any of those players would have helped yesterday, to at least keep some possession and aligned with some pace on gthe break, given us some attacking outlet to exploit Argentina's defence and push them back.

England have gotten to 4 semi-finals out of the last 5 tournaments, so that somewhat debunks the idea that England are "nothing but P&P"
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They are not the kind of passers needed. England don't need Hollywood ball guys, they need an orchestrator, conductor neither MGW or Wharton are that and not to a high level.

I do think adding some more technicians would have helped but fundamentally it's a player type that England simply never develops.

They've gotten to three situations via P&P and good draws. Tell me what game England have dominated midfield, where they controlled the pass and tempo of the game. It's never the way England can get it done, P&P is the English way.
 
I’ve skimmed over the last few pages here. I appreciate all the analyses of what went wrong but I just don’t understand how everyone seems so sanguine about last night.
I am absolutely gutted and angry about it.
 
Bishop said:
They are not the kind of passers needed. England don't need Hollywood ball guys, they need an orchestrator, conductor neither MGW or Wharton are that and not to a high level.

I do think adding some more technicians would have helped but fundamentally it's a player type that England simply never develops.

They've gotten to three situations via P&P and good draws. Tell me what game England have dominated midfield, where they controlled the pass and tempo of the game. It's never the way England can get it done, P&P is the English way.
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Exactly who are the kind of passers you are referring to? As in which of these types of passers were in the semi-final teams? I assume you'll put Messi in the list, ok. But who else is there? I'd say most teams play the way England do tbh

I'd say England were dominating midfield vs Argentina before they decided to sit back. At most it was an even game before the goal.
If we look back at the last 5 tournaments:
2018: granted in the end, Croatia turned the screw when Modric, Rakitic and Brozovic started to dominate.
2020: Misuse of available subs. Again Italy were allowed to get back into the game; if you bring on a Grealish or a Foden you push them backa nd retain the ball more (especially with Grealish who is often a free-kick magnet).
2022: Very unlucky vs France and they won via finishing their chances. It was a 50-50 game, England didn't lose because of being dominated in midfield (plus if Kane scores his second penalty who knows what happens)
2024: Spain a cut above, sure. Actually Spain worthy winners of the tournament and a cut above just about everyone else. England coming second in that tournament wasn't totally luck. Won a few 50-50 games sure.
2026: Tactical choices taken in terms of squad choices and starting line-ups led ultimately to the hanging on vs Argentina. The only other game where there was such a backs-to-the-wall approach was vs Mexico because of being down to 10 men.

The excuses about 'lack of technical players or ability' runs quite thin for Tuchel tbh
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I’ve skimmed over the last few pages here. I appreciate all the analyses of what went wrong but I just don’t understand how everyone seems so sanguine about last night.
I am absolutely gutted and angry about it.
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this is what England do, did anyone really expect anything else?
 
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