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What would you do?

Bishop said:
As I said your head is in the sand. Winks so far has demonstrated that he can make safe passes, when has he ever split the lines, when has he ever switched play quickly and dangerously? He may be capable of doing so but he is yet to ever do it.

Dier's passing is meh, he hits big slow looping diagonal that by the time they arrive so has the defender, that is not quality passing.

Again the Liverpool trio are all better at moving a ball then our bunch.

Being a fan of Tottenham doesn't mean you have to lie about what your eyes are showing you.

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Nah
You just choose to see it how you want and I do too
I remember Diers passing at Brighton away last season... lead to a great goal
I remember Dier passing for Alli to score vs Chelsea... a pass those pool players can dream of

I’ve seen winks do it too, although not the longer passes

I still think the elephant in the room is our POTY last season for me and that’s sissoko

We need to see a fit NDomvele with winks
 
Bishop said:
As I said your head is in the sand. Winks so far has demonstrated that he can make safe passes, when has he ever split the lines, when has he ever switched play quickly and dangerously? He may be capable of doing so but he is yet to ever do it.

Dier's passing is meh, he hits big slow looping diagonal that by the time they arrive so has the defender, that is not quality passing.

Again the Liverpool trio are all better at moving a ball then our bunch.

Being a fan of Tottenham doesn't mean you have to lie about what your eyes are showing you.

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Do you remember that game where we smashed Madrid at Wembley, Winks spent the first 70 minutes doing just that.

The slow looping diagonals are Toby, Dier bangs it into feet.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Nah
You just choose to see it how you want and I do too
I remember Diers passing at Brighton away last season... lead to a great goal
I remember Dier passing for Alli to score vs Chelsea... a pass those pool players can dream of

I’ve seen winks do it too, although not the longer passes

I still think the elephant in the room is our POTY last season for me and that’s sissoko

We need to see a fit NDomvele with winks
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I'm.not choosing anything. I'd love their passing to be of the same level, but their is a reason why Liverpool look a far more cohesive attacking unit than us and that stems from midfield.

Put our midfielders in their team anf that fluency they have would quickly cease, our guys just don't have it and one particular game that Dier may have hit a decent pass is nonesense. The liverpool bunch do it consistently, game after game.



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Bishop said:
I'm.not choosing anything. I'd love their passing to be of the same level, but their is a reason why Liverpool look a far more cohesive attacking unit than us and that stems from midfield.

Put our midfielders in their team anf that fluency they have would quickly cease, our guys just don't have it and one particular game that Dier may have hit a decent pass is nonesense. The liverpool bunch do it consistently, game after game.



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They don’t
They sit there and hold
Their full backs go forward and support the 3
There is a reason why their midfield gets so few assists and goals
Their very fixed
 
Yesterday was just an extension of our poor form last season. A combination of conceding the first goal and a lack of quality to support or create attacks leaves us passing sideways and backwards due to either a lack of ability or willingness to take responsibility. I think only the Huddersfield game was a convincing home performance since we returned to the lane.

At my most optimistic no one leaves before the end of the month and in the short term we reinstate Jan. I honestly have no answer to the right back problem, it was a glaring weakness last season and was not addressed in the window. Unless there is a master plan to convert Foyth, Dier or Sissoko to right back it doesn’t seem feasible the KWP has suddenly become Poch’a first choice.
It all hinges on the new signings for me, n’dombele has the give us some drive in centre mid, GLC some magic in the final 3rd but it’s a big ask for him to replace Eriksens contribution instantly. I’m still not sure where Sessegnon fits in but he should at least be an attacking option from the bench.

I’m not convinced Winks is good enough to be first choice for us but there is a huge question mark over Dier given how long he has been out for.

Moura is a conundrum for me. I’m not sure of his best position and it feels like he struggles to play with Kane?

The other thing that was discussed in the pub after the match was how we are missing Alli. If we can get him back and playing an attacking role for us he does have the rare and almost intangible ability to break the lines. He has a knack for beating a man by receiving the ball on the half turn and make intelligent movement to lose his marker and a near telepathic understanding with Kane.

I think I have more questions than answers!!
 
I'd get Dier in asap.
We are lacking unity apparently, but we are also lacking any leadership and guile.

We are flat and predictable, as the opposition I would look at us and say "we can frustrate them and they lack the spirit to do anything about it".
Add Dier and he will take charge.
Footballing wise, he won't be any less effective than Winks right now.

At Right back he is as good as any option we have.

Weirdly the NLD might just be the perfect next game for us - if we can't get up for that then we should be very worried.
It should galvanise us.
 
We need to get Dier and Ndombele as the two deep pivots and let them build a partnership, hopefully that would have the effect of protecting both cb and give us a more solid base, Winks needs to be Ndombele back up, he always imo looks better next to a Dier/Wanyama, Sissoko needs to just fudge off. full back especially rb is a problem but a more solid foundation can hopefully get us through till January or worst case the end of the season.

Up front Kane needs to be the #9 no more fudging around playing behind Son or Lucas and dropping deep, I want to see him back to shooting on sight from any distance, be selfish not trying to be a frankly utter brick playmaker, behind him Alli, Son, Moura, Lo Celso, Lamela and hopefully Eriksen can sort themselves out being picked on merit and form/opposition.

And lastly I want Poch to stop being so stubborn and sit there counting down the clock in his fudging head to 60 minutes to do anything, if it’s not working change, your not the players friend/surrogate father your their boss be ruthless when needed.
 
greatwhitenorf said:
? What would I do ?

I'd over react and start a thread like this one.

In case no one has noticed, Hi. I'm back from my summer hiatus. A blissfully football free break.

Hot chicks, chilled cider, chorizos on the grill. And chain saws out the ying-yang.
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Lumberjack festival?
 
I don’t think that any solution is in Levy’s gift. Poch has gone off the boil but his brand remains strong and pretty soon he will move on. There’s no reason to think we’ll be anything like as lucky with his successor, or that we will ever again see the fortuitous emergence of a world-class team from youth players, second-tier buys, the right system and some particularly effective negativity-absorbing lemons.

It was a five year adventure that should never really have happened. Leicester on a grander scale. We’re regressing to the mean and, short of selling the club to a squandthrift petrostate, there is no cure. On the bright side, we have a nice new stadium and in a couple of years time it should be pretty easy to get a ticket whenever one wants. And we may have the odd Europa or FA cup run.
 
Mosquito_Coasting said:
Biggest problem for me at the moment is the lack of dynamism. As someone said in the match thread, Poch can’t seem to send us out with our heads in the right place. I do think it might be an emotional thing, and Poch has to be the one to carry a new energy. The press is gone as is the quick passing, unity in movement and determination. Maybe things will improve after the window closes. I think Poch may be getting ground down by the way Levy does summers, and resentment is building. Pretty pointed comments about Lo Celso being miles away from full fitness I thought.
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If he was having a go at Levy over Lo Celso, Poch can do one. Every manager has to put up with that. Emery had lads come in late who seem to be doing okay (bar Sideshow Bob) and the others, bar Liverpool and Chelsea, were trying to do deals up to the end. Lo Celso was also playing a top level international tournament which meant he couldn’t have had an extensive pre-season anyway but should have come back with a decent level of fitness like a Salah or Mane did. It’s not like Lo Celso was off eating Big Macs and drinking Carling for the summer.


Levy did his job. He got the deal done and saved us about £10m in the process. Poch needs to do his now and stop his moaning and whinging.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
I don’t think that any solution is in Levy’s gift. Poch has gone off the boil but his brand remains strong and pretty soon he will move on. There’s no reason to think we’ll be anything like as lucky with his successor, or that we will ever again see the fortuitous emergence of a world-class team from youth players, second-tier buys, the right system and some particularly effective negativity-absorbing lemons.

It was a five year adventure that should never really have happened. Leicester on a grander scale. We’re regressing to the mean and, short of selling the club to a squandthrift petrostate, there is no cure. On the bright side, we have a nice new stadium and in a couple of years time it should be pretty easy to get a ticket whenever one wants. And we may have the odd Europa or FA cup run.
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I disagree, Poch is in a line of managers that have done a good job with the resources available to them. That will continue and Levy will continue to improve the resources.

Global domination is still inevitable.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They don’t
They sit there and hold
Their full backs go forward and support the 3
There is a reason why their midfield gets so few assists and goals
Their very fixed
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Who said anything about them getting forward and scoring goals? I said they better passing range and execution then any of our CMs. Which they 100% do. Positioning is not the issue beyond the first player receiving the ball from the keeper, it's what the player is capable of doing once they have the ball. I'll reiterate the Liverpool trio whomever is selected are able to receive the ball and within two touches move it on again, short or long to feet, between lines or into space that is why their forward trio are so effective they get lots of early ball or passes into space.


galeforce said:
Do you remember that game where we smashed Madrid at Wembley, Winks spent the first 70 minutes doing just that.

The slow looping diagonals are Toby, Dier bangs it into feet.
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That was possibly Wink's best game, but Real were a shambles last season and put no pressure on the ball and left tons of spaces open. It really isn't the best game to judge, has he done that with any consistency? No he hasn't this so far you can not claim that as his level. I am very positive with Winks but just because he's homegrown I'm not going to pretend he has done what he hasn't. His best attribute when fully fit was his press resistance not his passing range, his passing has never been show to be anything special, but couple what has shown with quick feet and press resistance then you have a player.

I disagree 1000% regarding Toby Vs Dier's passing. Toby puts it early and to feet, Dier does slow loops that often head straight of play. The longer Dier is absent the more you're forgetting.




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galeforce said:
I disagree, Poch is in a line of managers that have done a good job with the resources available to them. That will continue and Levy will continue to improve the resources.

Global domination is still inevitable.
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He is at the end of a line which most recently featured AVB and Timmeh, ffs. Redknapp and Poch were smart choices, as perhaps was Jol, at least given he was hired as an assistant.

Otherwise, Levy has done no better in the managerial bran tub than any of his predecessors or peers.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
He is at the end of a line which most recently featured AVB and Timmeh, ffs. Redknapp and Poch were smart choices, as perhaps was Jol, at least given he was hired as an assistant.

Otherwise, Levy has done no better in the managerial bran tub than any of his predecessors or peers.
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Levy’s has not done that bad for managerial choices, every single fan wanted that thing in a raincoat out and Hoddle in, Santini on paper was not a bad choice, we know what happened there and ended up with Jol who played a huge role in taking us forward, again Oneday Ramos on paper wasn’t a bad choice, he started well got us a trophy then it all went to brick and the form continued in to the next season, (deja vu anyone?) Redknapp was a good choice in the situation we were in and he exceeded expectations to be fair, Timmy was never intended long term imo, I think Levy always wanted Poch in the summer of 14 and Sherwood was only given a full time contract to shut him and the media up, he did it the right way with a break clause unlike United who are stuck with that clown Ole at the wheel. And Poch he was a fantastic choice and has done a amazing job, and I hope he gets back on track but you can’t blindly defend what has gone on the last 9 months, this ain’t a slow start to the season over three games, I keep saying it but the new stadium, lucking our way to Madrid along with United, rent boys and the scum failing to capitalise just put a sticky plaster over a massive haemorrhage.
 
Bishop said:
Who said anything about them getting forward and scoring goals? I said they better passing range and execution then any of our CMs. Which they 400% do. Positioning is not the issue beyond the first player receiving the ball from the keeper, it's what the player is capable of doing once they have the ball. I'll reiterate the Liverpool trio whomever is selected are able to receive the ball and within two touches move it on again, short or long to feet, between lines or into space that is why their forward trio are so effective they get lots of early ball or passes into space.




That was possibly Wink's best game, but Real were a shambles last season and put no pressure on the ball and left tons of spaces open. It really isn't the best game to judge, has he done that with any consistency? No he hasn't this so far you can not claim that as his level. I am very positive with Winks but just because he's homegrown I'm not going to pretend he has done what he hasn't. His best attribute when fully fit was his press resistance not his passing range, his passing has never been show to be anything special, but couple what has shown with quick feet and press resistance then you have a player.

I disagree 1000% regarding Toby Vs Dier's passing. Toby puts it early and to feet, Dier does slow loops that often head straight of play. The longer Dier is absent the more you're forgetting.




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I meant their midfield sit there and pass simple
They don’t do any “special passes”
It’s a job where they work hard and show intensity not technique
 
Get Jan, Eriksen and Davies back into the team as soon as possible, if Poch does not want Davies in at LB then put Jan there ( anyone over Rose). Get Dier back into CM and lets play the game at a higher tempo instead of passing sideways and backwards all the time.

With Son, Moura in the team we have players who can take advantage of the ball played forward quicker. I am at loss to explain our form this season but it needs to change.
 
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