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Gutter Boy said:
To be fair, it is 1 world cup and 1 domestic cup vs 0 trophies. So there is a little bit of proof in the pudding - Lloris did get some over the line, including the biggest one of all.
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The world cup win was nothing to do with Lloris, any half decent keeper would've still won the world cup in that team. He still managed to fudge up in the final and give a goal away, not exactly a ringing endorsement of a winning mentality.
 
DubSpur said:
Did Kane shag your missus or something? The way you go on about him is sad.

Anyone that puts in the effort to improve his game as much as Kane has obviously has a great mentality. Suggesting the likes of Hugo has a better mentality and is a born winner is laughable.
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I try to be constructive in the debate and keep it football....not sure you are with the above though.

I've mentioned before Kane (and Walker, Eriksen) were my favourite players following the retirement of Ledders. It didn't remain that way for the reasons I've given as a Spurs and England fan.
 
Muttley said:
I try to be constructive in the debate and keep it football....not sure you are with the above though.

I've mentioned before Kane (and Walker, Eriksen) were my favourite players following the retirement of Ledders. It didn't remain that way for the reasons I've given as a Spurs and England fan.
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I'd say you're constructive until it comes to Kane. You seem to love getting digs in against him at every opportunity, seems very strange.
 
DubSpur said:
Did Kane shag your missus or something? The way you go on about him is sad.

Anyone that puts in the effort to improve his game as much as Kane has obviously has a great mentality. Suggesting the likes of Hugo has a better mentality and is a born winner is laughable.
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No one would question Kane's attitude had he gone to one of the biggest clubs and won loads of trophies earlier in his career. And no doubt he would have, because he's a fantastic player.

We need a team, a squad, with the right attitude. I don't think av individual leader makes a massive difference, but can be part of it. Innstilling a really good attitude in the squad will take time, but I think Ange is on a good path.
 
DubSpur said:
The world cup win was nothing to do with Lloris, any half decent keeper would've still won the world cup in that team. He still managed to fudge up in the final and give a goal away, not exactly a ringing endorsement of a winning mentality.
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He was leader and captain of that team. Irrespective of what he might have needed to do in the goal mouth, he instilled and upheld the squad's mentality.
 
Gutter Boy said:
He was leader and captain of that team. Irrespective of what he might have needed to do in the goal mouth, he instilled and upheld the squad's mentality.
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You were part of the squad to see that? If so I bow to your superior knowledge, if not then you have no evidence of that.
The only evidence is what he does on the pitch and I have never seen any proper leadership from him on the pitch. When things go wrong he tended to wilt, no winning mentality there.
 
Gutter Boy said:
To be fair, it is 1 world cup and 1 domestic cup vs 0 trophies. So there is a little bit of proof in the pudding - Lloris did get some over the line, including the biggest one of all.
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Lloris was definitely the best goalkeeper I remember wearing a Spurs shirt. A real coup for the club when you think about it. A genuinely world-class player that we purchased just before he approached his prime and we had him for his best years. And as you say, he won the world cup and was France's no. 1 for many years.

Saying that, Kane was also the best striker I have ever seen wear the shirt and his record is ridiculous. I don't doubt Kane wasn't really a natural *leader*. I think he was relatively quiet. But he did have a winner's mentality. He realised he probably wasn't going to achieve what he wanted to with us and tried to leave for City and eventually left for Bayern. I.really hope he ends with the medals he deserves.
 
Muttley said:
Dele was an absolute winner even when he was a younger player with us. He hated losing and would leave everything out there, whilst making key contributions on the pitch.

I think you really have to go back and look at the entire chronology of Dele Alli. The stuff with his mum and dad, the MK-Dons foster situation through to the series of soft tissue injuries, and the eventual mental health issues that haunted him. Dele had PTSD from his childhood which included sexual abuse and other horrible things, but still managed to be totally professional in his job. In fact, even when he was injured he worked tirelessly to launch his businesses that still run today. He wasn't out boozing and my guess is that he hates the stuff after having an alcoholic mum. He did like some finer things in life though. Don't recall many different women though. He wasn't a playboy, he just had attractive and intelligent girlfriends from what I remember. The medication addiction was a big problem, and he tried to lose himself in computer games to hide his mental health challenges.

I always remember when Dele was making yet another comeback from a hamstring injury. Roy Keane was having his usual pop at him for not contributing what he used to do in the team. Then Sky put the running stats up and Dele was top. He'd smashed through the 13km mark again, one of only a few players to do it in the PL.

Yes, prime Dele was a leader and winner on the pitch.
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Just on Dele, agree with everything you said up there but if anyone questioned Poch’s mercurial ability to get the best out of players Dele is a particular case in point. No manager has got anything out of him since Poch, which is such a shame. And there were several other examples, Danny Rose, Eric Dier, Harry Winks and even the much maligned Sissoko. It’s why I still wonder if he could have got a tune out of Ndombele.
 
Muttley said:
Dele was an absolute winner even when he was a younger player with us. He hated losing and would leave everything out there, whilst making key contributions on the pitch.

I think you really have to go back and look at the entire chronology of Dele Alli. The stuff with his mum and dad, the MK-Dons foster situation through to the series of soft tissue injuries, and the eventual mental health issues that haunted him. Dele had PTSD from his childhood which included sexual abuse and other horrible things, but still managed to be totally professional in his job. In fact, even when he was injured he worked tirelessly to launch his businesses that still run today. He wasn't out boozing and my guess is that he hates the stuff after having an alcoholic mum. He did like some finer things in life though. Don't recall many different women though. He wasn't a playboy, he just had attractive and intelligent girlfriends from what I remember. The medication addiction was a big problem, and he tried to lose himself in computer games to hide his mental health challenges.

I always remember when Dele was making yet another comeback from a hamstring injury. Roy Keane was having his usual pop at him for not contributing what he used to do in the team. Then Sky put the running stats up and Dele was top. He'd smashed through the 13km mark again, one of only a few players to do it in the PL.

Yes, prime Dele was a leader and winner on the pitch.
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I loved him.
What has happened is very sad, and I hope he comes back to have something of a career again. BTW, you have articulated everything I thought when I first read Kompacted's initial post.
 
Robspur12 said:
Just on Dele, agree with everything you said up there but if anyone questioned Poch’s mercurial ability to get the best out of players Dele is a particular case in point. No manager has got anything out of him since Poch, which is such a shame. And there were several other examples, Danny Rose, Eric Dier, Harry Winks and even the much maligned Sissoko. It’s why I still wonder if he could have got a tune out of Ndombele.
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Stock, Aitken and Waterman wouldn’t have been able to get a tune out of Ndombele.
 
Gutter Boy said:
To be fair, it is 1 world cup and 1 domestic cup vs 0 trophies. So there is a little bit of proof in the pudding - Lloris did get some over the line, including the biggest one of all.
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Lloris did his very best the stop that with his performance in the WC final. :tearsofjoy: he was also pretty poor for the 2016 Portuguese winner.

Honestly you can't be giving him the credit, that was down the quality of the rest of the team.
 
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