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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

DaveT316 said:
Thank you for taking the time to detail this, having been asked a few days ago. I do see there is some sense in what you’re saying.

One thing though - surely given your background in the media you can see he can’t directly quote people / sources within the club and it’s tantamount to ending any relationship he has - or doesn’t have - with them. It would inevitably lead - my assumption, granted - Hojbjerg banging down the door to them to have it out with the named source, no? Thus creating an issue for the club to sort purely for Eccleshare to satisfy your need for names. Or have I read that wrong?

I do and I don’t understand an obsession on here - not specifically you - with people claiming if a source isn’t named, it’s therefore made up guff, which isn’t always the case. In some cases, it obviously is though.

I find it a v interesting subject, discourse in general and the shaping of fan sentiment in a modern media age, hence the lengthy reply.

Hopefully I’m making sense and you can see if the positive intention behind the probing ie to create sensible conversation!
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He's a sly dog with his writing. I know from the first five years of my career working as a newspaper reporter and wire service copy editor.

I get what you're saying, Dave, about protecting sources. But there are plenty of ways to acquire supporting material to go with the 'quiet whispers' alluded to by some writers.

On the other hand, a mischief maker (and Charlie has abundant previous with Spurs) could string together a bunch of banal articles where he can show an editor who he's alluding to in referencing protected sources. Once that process builds up, there's a tendency for an editor to just accept that without question. Even if what's being written is sheer twaddle, it appears plausible.

I don't have the least bit of trust in Eccleshare. If the situation were reversed - a season ticket-holding, lifelong Spurs fan who's taken the pizss out of Arsenal over years of prior media work, holding the Athletic's beat reporter's job - there would be torches and pitchforks - blazing pitchforks - to have that reported ousted. Same would apply to ManU and Liverpool.
 
Love his continued improvement philosophy and realism, not letting the victory get to his head:

Asked about the drop in the second half, he added: "I’m not trying to make a point, it’s just what I saw. I thought we were really wasteful with the ball in the second half. We took some liberties with taking extra touches. I’ve been around long enough to know if you try to take liberties, you’ll get dragged down pretty quickly.

"I’m not going to let the fact that we’ve won the game disguise the opportunity there for us to improve. In the second half, with the ball we weren’t anywhere near the levels we’ve already shown this year and there was no real reason for it. It wasn’t as if the opposition did anything different. It was more self-inflicted.

"My role in that was to give feedback to the players. That’s what they want. They want to get better, they want to improve. I’ve got some stuff there to show them."

He us obviously speaking directly to the the subs and those who weren't subbed ...a clear drop in quality
 
metalgear said:
Love his continued improvement philosophy and realism, not letting the victory get to his head:

Asked about the drop in the second half, he added: "I’m not trying to make a point, it’s just what I saw. I thought we were really wasteful with the ball in the second half. We took some liberties with taking extra touches. I’ve been around long enough to know if you try to take liberties, you’ll get dragged down pretty quickly.

"I’m not going to let the fact that we’ve won the game disguise the opportunity there for us to improve. In the second half, with the ball we weren’t anywhere near the levels we’ve already shown this year and there was no real reason for it. It wasn’t as if the opposition did anything different. It was more self-inflicted.

"My role in that was to give feedback to the players. That’s what they want. They want to get better, they want to improve. I’ve got some stuff there to show them."

He us obviously speaking directly to the the subs and those who weren't subbed ...a clear drop in quality
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I think Richarlison's attempt to control the ball on his back would be an example of "taking liberties."
 
metalgear said:
Love his continued improvement philosophy and realism, not letting the victory get to his head:

Asked about the drop in the second half, he added: "I’m not trying to make a point, it’s just what I saw. I thought we were really wasteful with the ball in the second half. We took some liberties with taking extra touches. I’ve been around long enough to know if you try to take liberties, you’ll get dragged down pretty quickly.

"I’m not going to let the fact that we’ve won the game disguise the opportunity there for us to improve. In the second half, with the ball we weren’t anywhere near the levels we’ve already shown this year and there was no real reason for it. It wasn’t as if the opposition did anything different. It was more self-inflicted.

"My role in that was to give feedback to the players. That’s what they want. They want to get better, they want to improve. I’ve got some stuff there to show them."

He us obviously speaking directly to the the subs and those who weren't subbed ...a clear drop in quality
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Definitely a great attitude to see. Interesting to ponder how we may see improvements...

-Better in game reactions and adaptation. There was a chance in that second half vs. Fulham for someone to do just that. Lead by example and/or demand more from others. Final stages vs Liverpool too I think there was a chance for on the fly adjustments to the conditions.

-More from our left wing. Either a new signing in January or someone already here really stepping up.

-Bentancur back to full fitness and his very high levels of performance.

-Kulusevski getting back to his best end product producing self.

Could we also see the entire team as a unit attacking even better? Learning their roles and how to play Angeball even better thus more chance creation in various game states?

Any other avenues of improvement you all think see likely?
 
braineclipse said:
Definitely a great attitude to see. Interesting to ponder how we may see improvements...

-Better in game reactions and adaptation. There was a chance in that second half vs. Fulham for someone to do just that. Lead by example and/or demand more from others. Final stages vs Liverpool too I think there was a chance for on the fly adjustments to the conditions.

-More from our left wing. Either a new signing in January or someone already here really stepping up.

-Bentancur back to full fitness and his very high levels of performance.

-Kulusevski getting back to his best end product producing self.

Could we also see the entire team as a unit attacking even better? Learning their roles and how to play Angeball even better thus more chance creation in various game states?

Any other avenues of improvement you all think see likely?
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My perspective

- We constantly have to watch/improve our tempo (when we play fast we kill other teams)
- Either wing for me needs to improve, right now our goal threat is Son/Maddison, we either need the wingers to contribute more or have the FB's contribute more.
- Bentancur will lift the team, as good as Sarr is, Bentancur (in form) is an elite midfielder

I see the attacking get better, I suspect the angle is adding pace (Johnson) and simply understanding the runs/pattern better (the weakest point in the team right now is the front line, we haven't got 3 attackers in form)

Summary, alternative in first 11 goals, better understanding of system, better depth, potentially game changing subs (Perisic was an interesting option, but perhaps Veliz with aerial ability or Johnson with pace) are ways to improve.
 
Must admit I lost a bit of love for Spurs and for football in general over the last couple of seasons, perhaps goes back even further but particularly exacerbated by the style of football served up to us with the last 3 managers and the frustration of having to watch players who have been at the club too long still being first choice. I’m finding that I actually look forward to the games this season and Ange has been a breath of fresh air. Regardless of where we finish, for the moment it looks like we are heading in the right direction and Ange seems to have a bond with the fans that’s an intangible asset you can’t put a price on. United had it with Fergie, Liverpool have it now with Klopp and Arteta appears to be well-respected and well-liked by our neighbours down the road. Even the drab weather and overcrowded trains (couldn’t even get on the platform to get the train from Seven Sisters to WHL or vice versa when the game finished) couldn’t ruin my good mood after the win the other night and crucially the style of play just being much more easy on the eye and entertaining.
 
Ange seems to have a bond with the fans that’s an intangible asset you can’t put a price on.

He seems a more experienced, more successful version of big MJ, who was a similar breath of fresh air. Connects with the fans and world at large while being (I suspect) a strict disciplinarian with the players at the same time as inspiring them and gaining total respect.

The rollercoaster ride, the soap opera which is being a Spurs fan, has taken an unpredictable and absolutely marvellous direction. And (mirabile dictu), I am back on the best Spurs MB, with a reset password, after a very frustrating 6 months of being unable to post....welcome me back with open arms you Alan B'stards or I'll visit all your homes and sabotage your cheese rooms.....
 
lurker of old said:
Ange seems to have a bond with the fans that’s an intangible asset you can’t put a price on.

He seems a more experienced, more successful version of big MJ, who was a similar breath of fresh air. Connects with the fans and world at large while being (I suspect) a strict disciplinarian with the players at the same time as inspiring them and gaining total respect.

The rollercoaster ride, the soap opera which is being a Spurs fan, has taken an unpredictable and absolutely marvellous direction. And (mirabile dictu), I am back on the best Spurs MB, with a reset password, after a very frustrating 6 months of being unable to post....welcome me back with open arms you Alan B'stards or I'll visit all your homes and sabotage your cheese rooms.....
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Clarissa: "Well, that reminded me of a song!"
Alan B'stard: "Yes, that always happens. Which one was it? When I fall in love? The biggest aspidistra in the world?"
Clarissa: "No. You can't get quicker than a Kwik-Fit fitter! I must call them tomorrow and tell them they're wrong!"
 
Jurgen the German said:
Must admit I lost a bit of love for Spurs and for football in general over the last couple of seasons, perhaps goes back even further but particularly exacerbated by the style of football served up to us with the last 3 managers and the frustration of having to watch players who have been at the club too long still being first choice. I’m finding that I actually look forward to the games this season and Ange has been a breath of fresh air. Regardless of where we finish, for the moment it looks like we are heading in the right direction and Ange seems to have a bond with the fans that’s an intangible asset you can’t put a price on. United had it with Fergie, Liverpool have it now with Klopp and Arteta appears to be well-respected and well-liked by our neighbours down the road. Even the drab weather and overcrowded trains (couldn’t even get on the platform to get the train from Seven Sisters to WHL or vice versa when the game finished) couldn’t ruin my good mood after the win the other night and crucially the style of play just being much more easy on the eye and entertaining.
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Big difference

- Ange is liked out side of Spurs
- Arteta is a very weird clam for most people including non Spurs fans
- Klopp is an insufferable prick who has a very thin veneer of niceness that drops the moment everything doesn't go Liverpool's way

I agree that Ange has taken the toxicity out of the club, connected the fans, made the football fun to watch and you can see the players are enjoying it. It is an intangible, for us like the BMJ & Poch eras, I say the current comparison in the PL is Saudi Sportswashing Machine (they are not that good a side on paper, but Howe and removing the toxicity has made a huge difference)
 
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Raziel said:
Big difference

- Ange is liked out side of Spurs
- Arteta is a very weird clam for most people including non Spurs fans
- Klopp is an insufferable prick who has a very thin veneer of niceness that drops the moment everything doesn't go Liverpool's way

I agree that Ange has taken the toxicity out of the club, connected the fans, made the football fun to watch and you can see the players are enjoying it. It is an intangible, for us like the BMJ & Poch eras, I say the current comparison in the PL is Saudi Sportswashing Machine (they are not that good a side on paper, but Howe and removing the toxicity has made a huge difference)
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Yeah wasn’t comparing personalities as Ange would win hands down. Can’t stand Klopp or Arteta. Was just commenting on the fact that they both have a good relationship with the fans which is crucial, if the fans aren’t behind the manager or don’t feel that connection with the club it’s a big problem. Agree about Saudi Sportswashing Machine btw. I still don’t think they are that good but they are all united (no pun intended) and there is a feel good factor at their club.
 
I saw his interview about the ground becoming a nightclub, not sure if he meant that in respect to the changing room music choices or the fact we have a DJ belting out crap tunes In the ground.

The whole Spurs songs influence is getting abit silly for me in that respect. I get they wanna increase atmosphere but can they spare us Islands in the stream being belted out after the games.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I saw his interview about the ground becoming a nightclub, not sure if he meant that in respect to the changing room music choices or the fact we have a DJ belting out crap tunes In the ground.

The whole Spurs songs influence is getting abit silly for me in that respect. I get they wanna increase atmosphere but can they spare us Islands in the stream being belted out after the games.
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Gotta say I fudging loved having a bit of a dance to Freed From Desire followed by a bit of Angels after Liverpool.
 
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