Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[braineclipse]

Firstly, you are entitled to your opinion of course. You say that if we were poorly managed we wouldn't have beaten City or Liverpool with a depleted side, I would therefore argue we wouldn't have lost against Everton, Ipswich, Wolves or several other lesser clubs we have lost against. We are now called doctor Tottenham, which means when we play poor performing sides we get to cheer them up when they beat us. This is quite funny, but yet true. Under Ange we have become a laughing stock.

I also refuse to believe that two games a week for a professional footballer in their prime should fatigue them. Mo Sala is the same age as Son, he plays every game and shows no signs of being tired. Ange loves to use this as an excuse to help cover his total incompetence as a coach. Although a side note, I find the man arrogant, very dislikeable, and when he is interviewed by the press I think he does himself and the club a disfavour. I have been attending Spurs since 1971 and can't remember a manager I think is more naive or incompetent than this one. Once more though, if you like him that's your choice.

The doctor Tottenham thing is not a new thing.

Well managed teams underperforming in games and losing to smaller teams is a thing v that happens with some regularity though. Injury struck teams beating better teams if poorly managed is more rare I think. At least we're having a disagreement of opinions now, I appreciate that rather than just claiming your opinions as truths.

If you refuse to believe that two games a week over time can cause fatigue for footballers that's fine. I think you're disagreeing with most of sports science people, most managers, most players who talk about this kind of stuff. There being individuals who don't suffer that fatigue much doesn't disprove that.

I don't think Ange has "loves using that as an excuse". I think he's complaines less about injuries than most managers in a similar situation.

 

[Muttley]

I think I am a pretty easy man to please. I seem to be more positive at present than 90% of the people on the forum. I thought we were undercooked for this seasons campaign, that isn't something I've decided recently with hindsight but something I said at the end of the transfer window and I think that has perhaps been proven with what has happened.

You can see the club had no intention of playing Austin and Whiteman by the way they immediately signed Kinsky when Forster got ill.
IMO Forster being on the payroll doesn't automatically make him suitable cover for Vicario, our system needs a keeper who is good with his feet, Forster is anything but. I'm really pleased with the Kinsky signing.

Regi is on our payroll simply because we couldn't shift him. He has proven himself to not be good enough over a few years. We need better.

Replacing Skipp and Hojbjerg with the two 18 year olds will be great for the future. Both players have massively higher upsides than the two they replaced. However, both also still have lots of developing to do and we are therefore weaker in the short term.

Everything we have done and are doing is for the long term from what I can see. That is great. It is why I am actually reasonably happy despite our league position. It seems to me that we are finally trying to do something significant instead of aiming for 6th and hoping for 4th. It seems however that many of those on here are not as patient as I am in this case.

Yeah, I get it.

I don't want to be a hypocrite myself. I've always lambasted the club for stockpiling players and making weak decisions. I felt it was strong of them to not get a LB when we had 2 others behind the first choice at the club. Ditto with Forster. Ange sanctioned the extension of that contract, and the new contract for Austin. We didn't have 1 keeper. We had 4. You make your choices in life.

Moving forward, I want this to be a squad strategy and policy. No more proliferation of the squad. The numbers set themselves within the parameters set by the governing bodies. If you can't rightsize, you don't get to add.

A Spurs manager's job is to fully utilise the squad he's been given between transfer windows. Accepting Reggie for what he is should have been part of that. Pretending you don't have that player just borders on plain stupid. It's cutting your nose off to spite your face. Ideally, you don't have to use your 25th guy. When injuries hit you do. You don't start bleating on about "11 fit players" when you have a prime footballer who has played for a tier 1 international team sitting there. Respect is lost at that point.

 

[Kompakted]

Our player spend, both total and net is in the top 5 in the PL in the last 5 years, considering PL spend vs rest of the world, I'd assume that translates into top 8th at very worst.

Our wages to turnover may be low, but who do you think is being underpaid at Spurs? the sheer profile of most of our players, VDV, Udogie, Dragusin, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Kinsky, Spence, Wilson, i.e. all under 24, at their first big club and developing would mean lower salaries

Son, Maddison, Solanke, Romero all earn 150K/week or greater.

Honestly there was a period between the era of the Jan, Toby, Son, Dembele, etc buys until Paratici stepped in, in the between we had bought brick like Ndombele (who was on huge wages), GLC, Sess, etc. That period was brick at we are still paying for it, but the last 3-5 years has been well above average.

We could argue how great/average it is, I come back to it's not a bottom half squad, and we are getting bottom half results.

What i really don't get as well is how Ange, who is:
1) late 50s
2) never managed in a competitive league
is getting a free pass from being the main problem.

Honestly it's like buying a 15 year old Toyota Prius and taking it out racing and blaming everything else for it not being fast....."it's the potholes, if I had a decent road, I'd be fast"....."its the faulty turbo. Once I've fixed it, watch me fly"......"it's the tyrea....once I've put some pilot sports on it...watch out"......and then you realise that if you put a new turbo in it, tuned the sh** out of it in fact, put the best tyres money could buy on it and put it on a newly tarmacked race track.....at the end of the day it's a 15 year old Prius....

The point is we hired a manager that had a plus 50% chance IMO of being out of his depth. And the fact we are having our worst season in 20 odd years is being put down (by many) to all these other things....

 

[Muttley]

What i really don't get as well is how Ange, who is:
1) late 50s
2) never managed in a competitive league
is getting a free pass from being the main problem.

Honestly it's like buying a 15 year old Toyota Prius and taking it out racing and blaming everything else for it not being fast....."it's the potholes, if I had a decent road, I'd be fast"....."its the faulty turbo. Once I've fixed it, watch me fly"......"it's the tyrea....once I've put some pilot sports on it...watch out"......and then you realise that if you put a new turbo in it, tuned the sh** out of it in fact, put the best tyres money could buy on it and put it on a newly tarmacked race track.....at the end of the day it's a 15 year old Prius....

The point is we hired a manager that had a plus 50% chance IMO of being out of his depth. And the fact we are having our worst season in 20 odd years is being put down (by many) to all these other things....

You mean ABA?

 

[Bullet]

I turned on the PSG vs MNC game.
Within 5 mins City went 2-0 up and were being lauded on comms, with Akanji making a mazy run down the right flank from centre back.

They're playing an aggressive 4141 formation, expecting the ancient Kovacic to hold down the entire midfield while the likes of Grealish DeBruyne Silva Foden swan around trying to help Haaland score.

5 mins later and it is 2-2.

Pep really is a charlatan. No way Kovacic can hold that together. Very naive. Why are the centre backs dribbling down the wing? They've gone to pieces here. They need a load more players I reckon. And a new manager.

 

[Bullet]

I turned on the PSG vs MNC game.
Within 5 mins City went 2-0 up and were being lauded on comms, with Akanji making a mazy run down the right flank from centre back.

They're playing an aggressive 4141 formation, expecting the ancient Kovacic to hold down the entire midfield while the likes of Grealish DeBruyne Silva Foden swan around trying to help Haaland score.

5 mins later and it is 2-2.

Pep really is a charlatan. No way Kovacic can hold that together. Very naive. Why are the centre backs dribbling down the wing? They've gone to pieces here. They need a load more players I reckon. And a new manager.

And then the inevitable happens, a cross to the back post and the full back has gone wandering. Free header for PSG and it is 3-2.
What a collapse. Charlatan Pep doing Catalan things.

 

[Bullet]

And then the inevitable happens, a cross to the back post and the full back has gone wandering. Free header for PSG and it is 3-2.
What a collapse. Charlatan Pep doing Catalan things.

Now it's 4-2 to PSG
City were 2 up and threw it all away and got smashed. Dear me. So naive this Pep guy.

 

[glasgowspur]

What i really don't get as well is how Ange, who is:
1) late 50s
2) never managed in a competitive league
is getting a free pass from being the main problem.

Honestly it's like buying a 15 year old Toyota Prius and taking it out racing and blaming everything else for it not being fast....."it's the potholes, if I had a decent road, I'd be fast"....."its the faulty turbo. Once I've fixed it, watch me fly"......"it's the tyrea....once I've put some pilot sports on it...watch out"......and then you realise that if you put a new turbo in it, tuned the sh** out of it in fact, put the best tyres money could buy on it and put it on a newly tarmacked race track.....at the end of the day it's a 15 year old Prius....

The point is we hired a manager that had a plus 50% chance IMO of being out of his depth. And the fact we are having our worst season in 20 odd years is being put down (by many) to all these other things....

Klopp 57 and pep 54, less than five years between them and ange.
His experience in the top league is of course brief, but his age is not an issue.

 

[Kompakted]

Klopp 57 and pep 54, less than five years between them and ange.
His experience in the top league is of course brief, but his age is not an issue.

The age is relevant when you're factoring in the inexperience. As in, i think it's acceptable to take a punt on a really exciting up and coming coach that isn't experienced. But someone towards the end of their career that hasn't managed in a top European league? That's a big punt.

 

[Bullet]

Confidence can be a big issue, for a team that isn't getting results

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