Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Lemonade Money]

I would think clubs def use social media as a barometer of fan feeling now

GHod help us!

 

[Grays_1890]

GHod help us!

I know, unfortunately its the way its going now. Sports agencies are looking at that kind of thing for organisations all the time now to gauge the water

 

[Raziel]

I would think clubs def use social media as a barometer of fan feeling now

All business does, it's sentiment analysis. It's an input but it wouldn't be the main reason the club makes a decision

Levy has shown an ability to make unpopular and ruthless decisions (regardless of if you agree on the right/wrong of them), for me, it's much better to make the call than do the United example of having dead men walking like OGS & ETH for literal years.

Re Ange, said it before, I think the goals/timelines/metrics of the club has shifted since the Poch era
- Don't think the top 4 or bust is as much a factor anymore, with the bigger stadium, additional revenue streams, CL is important but maybe not as much get top 4 or out
- Post Jose/Conte, we have seemed (just outside look) to settled back into a proper multi-year view of improving the on field results (football structure, return to investing in the Gray, Bergvall types as well as the pipeline of talent like Vuskovich for future years)
- I don't think you build a team with Udogie, Dragusin, VDV, Sarr, Gray, Johnson, Bergvall, Wilson, Moore and expect to push the top 3/4 sides in the country this year

My point, I think Ange will be ok this year as long as the wheels don't completely come off
- Think we need to get back into Europe (so 5th/6th)
- Think we need to do better in the cups (will be an ask, especially if we lose to City tomorrow)
- Some progress in playing needs to be made (concede less, Solanke/Richi producing, find midfield balance)

Do that, get to summer, get some more investment (another $60M type investment), evaluate the youth again, go for it.

Someone else mentioned it early, if at this time next season we are struggling, then I think Ange has a problem

 

[Grays_1890]

All business does, it's sentiment analysis. It's an input but it wouldn't be the main reason the club makes a decision

No of course not.

I was just saying as well that there was a number of Poch out's everywhere, if Levy did or did not take notice who know, but there certainly were people becoming disgruntled.

 

[Muttley]

All business does, it's sentiment analysis. It's an input but it wouldn't be the main reason the club makes a decision

Levy has shown an ability to make unpopular and ruthless decisions (regardless of if you agree on the right/wrong of them), for me, it's much better to make the call than do the United example of having dead men walking like OGS & ETH for literal years.

Re Ange, said it before, I think the goals/timelines/metrics of the club has shifted since the Poch era
- Don't think the top 4 or bust is as much a factor anymore, with the bigger stadium, additional revenue streams, CL is important but maybe not as much get top 4 or out
- Post Jose/Conte, we have seemed (just outside look) to settled back into a proper multi-year view of improving the on field results (football structure, return to investing in the Gray, Bergvall types as well as the pipeline of talent like Vuskovich for future years)
- I don't think you build a team with Udogie, Dragusin, VDV, Sarr, Gray, Johnson, Bergvall, Wilson, Moore and expect to push the top 3/4 sides in the country this year

My point, I think Ange will be ok this year as long as the wheels don't completely come off
- Think we need to get back into Europe (so 5th/6th)
- Think we need to do better in the cups (will be an ask, especially if we lose to City tomorrow)
- Some progress in playing needs to be made (concede less, Solanke/Richi producing, find midfield balance)

Do that, get to summer, get some more investment (another $60M type investment), evaluate the youth again, go for it.

Someone else mentioned it early, if at this time next season we are struggling, then I think Ange has a problem

Love your post.

On one of your points, I think there is still the question mark over Levy though. At the moment I'm really trying to believe that he really is letting Scott Munn run football operations. That is budgetary control and Scott is the one making these tough hiring and firing decisions. Scott is the one working with the 1st managers to get them what they need and set the strategic direction on the player side with Ange.

At this point, Levy has moved into a less tactical box than he's had for his entire tenure at the club. It is because he himself saw the shortcomings of his many decisions on football. So as a great leader, he did something about it and implemented a new model that protected his company from these shortcomings. That doesn't mean to say he won't have the C-level reviews on all matters beneath him in every area of his business, and share an opinion once in a while. He'll still sign the big cheques

We now get to see whether what I explain really is the model that is actually happening, or whether he is still too involved. I don't want him making any unpopular or ruthless decisions on football operations anymore. He has such a bad track record in that area. We're not a £100m revenue business anymore.

 

[Raziel]

Love your post.

On one of your points, I think there is still the question mark over Levy though. At the moment I'm really trying to believe that he really is letting Scott Munn run football operations. That is budgetary control and Scott is the one making these tough hiring and firing decisions. Scott is the one working with the 1st managers to get them what they need and set the strategic direction on the player side with Ange.

At this point, Levy has moved into a less tactical box than he's had for his entire tenure at the club. It is because he himself saw the shortcomings of his many decisions on football. So as a great leader, he did something about it and implemented a new model that protected his company from these shortcomings. That doesn't mean to say he won't have the C-level reviews on all matters beneath him in every area of his business, and share an opinion once in a while. He'll still sign the big cheques

We now get to see whether what I explain really is the model that is actually happening, or whether he is still too involved. I don't want him making any unpopular or ruthless decisions on football operations anymore. He has such a bad track record in that area. We're not a £100m revenue business anymore.

I think it's also just the scale of the business

- The club that made 100M/yr is long gone, the non football side of business, development of the global brand, all requires a much bigger team to run, needs specialist people to focus on specific areas.

I suspect Munn runs everything football, the piece Levy will have a continued huge input on is expectations, if we are budgeting the company (FWIW I don't think we are) on CL revenue, then that passes down as a goal/measurement of success to the manager via Munn.

As I said, outside signs seem to indicate we have settled into a slightly more multi-year view

 

[Mikey10]

I think it's also just the scale of the business

- The club that made 100M/yr is long gone, the non football side of business, development of the global brand, all requires a much bigger team to run, needs specialist people to focus on specific areas.

I suspect Munn runs everything football, the piece Levy will have a continued huge input on is expectations, if we are budgeting the company (FWIW I don't think we are) on CL revenue, then that passes down as a goal/measurement of success to the manager via Munn.

As I said, outside signs seem to indicate we have settled into a slightly more multi-year view

I think it was this week’s Last Word on Spurs podcast (although I’ve listened to a few over the past couple of days, so I may be wrong!) which was discussing that very few successful businesses have the same person in charge for 20+ years. Change at the top is often necessary to ensure continuing success.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Arteta has surprised me, he has elevated Arsenal much further than I ever thought he would. (I still think he isn't a great manager overall though).

I think all he is doing at the moment is showing pragmatism. He spent two seasons proving his team could play great football...and they still came up short. We, and certainly he, know that the margins when City are in town are minute, so he's decided that every point is the most valuable thing on earth and he's playing, at times, that most horrid brand of football to harvest those points. I do think it is a last throw from him. I don't think it will work and wouldn't be surprised if he feels his time is done at Arsenal come the end of the season imo.

I think it’s more likely he’s waiting for Pep to walk away which isn’t out of the question as his contract expires next summer. Arsenal and Liverpool would be best placed to capitalise if Emirates Marketing Project don’t get the next managerial appointment right. They’ve managed to win leagues even with Mancini and Pellegrini but losing a larger than life figurehead like Pep surely will hurt them.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think it's also just the scale of the business

- The club that made 100M/yr is long gone, the non football side of business, development of the global brand, all requires a much bigger team to run, needs specialist people to focus on specific areas.

I suspect Munn runs everything football, the piece Levy will have a continued huge input on is expectations, if we are budgeting the company (FWIW I don't think we are) on CL revenue, then that passes down as a goal/measurement of success to the manager via Munn.

As I said, outside signs seem to indicate we have settled into a slightly more multi-year view

The club and Munn have said repeatedly that he runs the football side

 

[Raziel]

I think it was this week’s Last Word on Spurs podcast (although I’ve listened to a few over the past couple of days, so I may be wrong!) which was discussing that very few successful businesses have the same person in charge for 20+ years. Change at the top is often necessary to ensure continuing success.

Actually I'd completely disagree

- Churn at top leads to a capitalistic short term view point about satisfying shareholders, it's why Private Equity investment is a plague, it's why many previously successful businesses suddenly crash and burn (take a look at South West Airlines case study, extremely successful for >30 years under same leadership, new CEO walks in, focus now on shareholders, so instead of investing in infrastructure they basically spend all the money on stock buy backs and in 10 years the infrastructure falls apart and basically costs them billions and destroys their reputation and goodwill with customers)
- Warren Buffet has been in charge of his company for what? 50 years, it's arguably one of the most successful companies of all time
- Very few PLC companies may keep same CEO/C-Level for long periods (I know, it's the space I work in), but literally most entrepreneurial/start up businesses do (and can be amazingly successful) , most of Tech? (Zuckerberg is still major shareholder in Facebook)

The challenge for most people is understanding Spurs is both the success story of the last 2 decades (financially, global brand, infrastructure, even in perspective of challenging for things) and the failure (1 trophy isn't a good enough return). Caveats, context, lots of nuance, but both things are true.

 

[braineclipse]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851391898717503672

This really resonates with me and how I'm currently thinking about where we are. Of course tactics, player quality, player selection and subs are important. We probably need more transfer businesses in the next couple of windows too.

But maturity, leadership, how we respond in difficult moments. That's what's most important right now and improving that takes time.

Very happy to see Ange speak, seemingly honestly, about this. If this mirrors his approach and viewpoint behind the scenes too I'm very happy with that.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851391898717503672

This really resonates with me and how I'm currently thinking about where we are. Of course tactics, player quality, player selection and subs are important. We probably need more transfer businesses in the next couple of windows too.

But maturity, leadership, how we respond in difficult moments. That's what's most important right now and improving that takes time.

Very happy to see Ange speak, seemingly honestly, about this. If this mirrors his approach and viewpoint behind the scenes too I'm very happy with that.

Is he not also calling out the likes of Son, Maddison and Romero, when he talks about lacking leadership? ( Or perhaps challenging them to show that leadership would be a better way to phrase it).