Whiffler
Jermaine Jenas
Shame on him. Some poor bugger has got to clear it up.
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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand
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Shame on him. Some poor bugger has got to clear it up.
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Imcallingbullbrick
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
For the purposes of the forum and discussion, please detail which parts are BS and why?
Give @Grays_1890 some meat to defend himself/his information with.
Ta
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
This sounds so very plausible, sadly.
In your opinion, do you think:
- Levy has been having to pay fines to the NFL for not being able to fulfill the fixtures planned for October?
- If yes to the above, do you think these fines coupled with likely overspends with then opening delays have impacted spending on transfers (and hence zero players brought in during the summer)?
Daisuk
Dimitar Berbatov
That's Levy giving him the tour, isn't it?
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Who told you that information? Because that information would only be likely known by directors at the club.
If that was the case, why have they managed to make such a mess of the refund process, with the money not arriving by time you have to repurchase tickets
If that was the case, why did they offer a refund to ST holders for tickets, the T&C of my ST dont mention a stadium so we had no right of return
If that was the case that the other things you mentioned stopped the opening, why was the public space, cladding and most exterior works planned for next year anyway
If that was the case, why havent Mace, not made public comment about the delays
If that was the case, why did spurs suddenly attempt to employ electricians at the same time as the supposed safety issues
If that was the case and ticketing head knew, why did he sanction completely left field a poster about the champions league at WHL
If that was the case, did you visit the last season of WHL, you realise it was a building site in places but H&S allowed games
If that was the case regarding the Public Space, then are we delaying the stadium until the flats and hotel are built
I dont like the comms from the club, I am a ST holder, I dont get why people can't look at all the facts and come to a sensible choice.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I dont know if youre a naturally paranoid sort of character generally, but in the case of the stadium you seem to be actively looking for negatives and conspiracy.
Why are you so quick to believe its all a scam, Levy is engaging in skullduggery and shenanigans?
Instead of, you know, we were ambitious, we really tried, and it didnt work out?
The plan was that it would be usable, not finished. And for a while it looked close. The wiring issue, completely unforseen, and completely understandable as to how long it takes to rectify, seems entirely plausible to me. Ive seen nothing personally to make me question things.
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
oh one more
If that was the case, why did they hold the first test event for Staff?
If that was the case, why did they hold the first test event for Staff?
PochettinoPochettinoPochettino
Serge Aurier
Dunno. Sounds a little like him.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
The bolded bit is what i would instinctively feel about the delay tbh; however, the lack of transfers in the summer - given all the 'mood music' plus Pochettino's public utterings about how we should change our approach to transfers - was quite inexplicable for reasons i and many others have outlined already (re how the final games showed we needed fresh blood) and i do suspect there is more to meets the eye going on behind the scenes. Being a big corporate organisation that the club are now, i guess PR is key atm.
I certainly don't buy the idea that we were nearly ready to start hosting 60,000 + people within weeks of the expected start date because for example:
a) the cladding and roofing was from memory and photos nowhere near finished just before the critical safety systems issue was discovered and reported on
b) the concourses to get 60,000 people in and out of the stadium was nowhere near completed just before the critical safety systems issue was discovered and reported on
c) the funky pitch lift/foldup required for NFL was nowhere near competed (in fact had it even started?) just before the critical safety systems issue was discovered and reported on
Basically, I don't think the wiring was the only thing not allowing us to play Liverpool. And on the surface i'd be fine with that....however the lack of transfer activity in the summer makes me think there is more going on, because as i said that was inexplicable.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
I await the back and forth between @imcallingbullsh*t and @Grays_1890
So far @imcallingbullsh*t has given a decent reposte.
However, for everyone accused of being negative/seeking to take a negative look at the stadium issue, there can be an equal riposte of people seeking to only look at the positive aspects and ignoring fair questions to things that don't seem to add up/make sense (e.g. the lack of transfers when were constantly told by Levy/the board beforehand that the stadium build would have no effect...)
So far @imcallingbullsh*t has given a decent reposte.
However, for everyone accused of being negative/seeking to take a negative look at the stadium issue, there can be an equal riposte of people seeking to only look at the positive aspects and ignoring fair questions to things that don't seem to add up/make sense (e.g. the lack of transfers when were constantly told by Levy/the board beforehand that the stadium build would have no effect...)
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Seems like a 2+2=5 kind of reasoning to me.
You are of course free to such! I just dont see them as connected though.
The transfer window worked like any other, IMO. We had minimal money to spend, as usual, and generally fund buys via sales - as usual. Two things occur.
1) We couldnt shift players
2) Players that could actually improve us were out of our price range (largely because of 1).
As much as Poch clearly wanted to strengthen, he was 100% right in also saying there is no point buying for the sake of it. I believe that is where we found ourselves.
As to cladding, public spaces etc - Ive genuinely no idea how key that is to hosting games.
The pitch? Heresay as to how done/not done it was.
The message was always it would be serviceable and not complete, Im yet to see anything to doubt it.
Simple, no? Or.... we could look at it as clues to a greater conspiracy, Levy sharking the fans, fines from the NFL and all sorts of other nefarious things going on under the surface....
You are of course free to such! I just dont see them as connected though.
The transfer window worked like any other, IMO. We had minimal money to spend, as usual, and generally fund buys via sales - as usual. Two things occur.
1) We couldnt shift players
2) Players that could actually improve us were out of our price range (largely because of 1).
As much as Poch clearly wanted to strengthen, he was 100% right in also saying there is no point buying for the sake of it. I believe that is where we found ourselves.
As to cladding, public spaces etc - Ive genuinely no idea how key that is to hosting games.
The pitch? Heresay as to how done/not done it was.
The message was always it would be serviceable and not complete, Im yet to see anything to doubt it.
Simple, no? Or.... we could look at it as clues to a greater conspiracy, Levy sharking the fans, fines from the NFL and all sorts of other nefarious things going on under the surface....
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Agree with @nayimfromthehalfwayline
We never spent much
We didnt generate funds
Plus the way in which "players" are "assets" within the accounts, its more the wages that you would see impacted, as our payments for the stadium are going to be larger as a ongoing cost
Unless you cash in on Harry Kane to pay for the extra spend
We never spent much
We didnt generate funds
Plus the way in which "players" are "assets" within the accounts, its more the wages that you would see impacted, as our payments for the stadium are going to be larger as a ongoing cost
Unless you cash in on Harry Kane to pay for the extra spend
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Indeed, the "Message" was this or that...it's whether from what you see on the ground etc that "Message" seems believable.
You say you have no idea how key some of those things are to hosting a game but believe the "message" anyway. Your choice as it is mine to question the "Message" based on what i saw at the time (driving past the ground the number of cranes, machinery, rubble that has only just been finished it did not look anywhere near usable; and my reasoning is as simple as yours tbh).
You say you have no idea how key some of those things are to hosting a game but believe the "message" anyway. Your choice as it is mine to question the "Message" based on what i saw at the time (driving past the ground the number of cranes, machinery, rubble that has only just been finished it did not look anywhere near usable; and my reasoning is as simple as yours tbh).
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
The fact you keep putting "message" like that makes me think youre a bit of a tin foil hat type!
I think your reasoning is more convoluted, as its trying to tie disparate ideas together to form an argument that suits your assumption - but of course, as said, thats your prerogative.
Ive worked in building, never on anything of that scale, but enough to have some experience from which to judge the messages coming out.
None have been red flags, they seem genuine to me. And nothing has occurred to me to then use the summer window as evidence of dodgy things going on either.
Just saying, you come across as rather enthusiastic in looking for these angles. Could be the curse of the internet forum, wouldnt be the first time.
I would say time will tell, but chances are it wont. Even if you are right, all appearances will look like I am instead.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Mace have made public comments
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imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Sorry edited, think you meant to post the full article i attached the link to
More meant..
Mace has worked closely with Tottenham Hotspur to deliver their new stadium under a contract Management basis, due to the overly ambitious nature of the project.
Subtle difference, but Mace are having their name dragged through the mud that could impact further bids for say "chelsea's new stadium" if you had known in Feb that we were pointing the finger at you, there would be some clarification
https://www.building.co.uk/news/mace-says-faulty-wiring-behind-spurs-stadium-delay/5095219.article
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Wasn’t trying to disagree by the way but
Mace won’t get another stadium build ever IMO
Their not a company known for stadiums and their quite aloof from what I know of them
There won’t be another ground built on this scale in the U.K. for a very long time now
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
So Mace are in on this scam to fool everyone in to thinking it’s wiring on the fire systems as well then?!.....
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Yes i think so, guy i sit near me, and he really knows lots of stuff, said that they did a deal with Joe Lewis to develop the caribbean into a carpark and so they went along with the scam.