NickTB
Kasey Keller
Interesting to see the pictures the Standard used are about 6 months old. The place really DOES look like a building site
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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand
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Interesting to see the pictures the Standard used are about 6 months old. The place really DOES look like a building site
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Pics taken from mid August, so just over 1 month old. It does make you wonder why they would use those old pictures rather than the current ones which are so readily available to everyone? If you say media agenda you just get shouted down as paranoid (usually true in most cases to be fair), but it does seem odd here?
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
I thought the same when I saw the Guardian's story - they had one with half of the roof cassettes in place.
To be fair, though, they can't just go onto Skyscraper City and grab the latest pics from Chris Cowlin. They have enterprise licenses with preferred stock & licensed image firms (eg Getty) and they avoid legal trouble, time and additional expense by sticking to either what's available on the portal, or what PR agencies supply.
The time available to newsroom hacks hasn't increased now that they have to be picture researchers as well as writers. It's gone down.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Fair enough, can’t they just take the latest pics from the Spurs website/Twitter or whatever though? My legal knowledge only goes as far as watching Suits or the good wife, but doubt Spurs would sue them for using pics they’ve already displayed on the internet?
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
So if the hack had time to do a bit of googling, they'd end up here: http://new-stadium.tottenhamhotspur.com/image-gallery/ - but it was last updated in May! And anyway, all rights are reserved.
You really can't just use pics that are already displayed on the Internet, not without checking. I have a tiny media business and I only ever use royalty-free images from free sources. It's too easy to get into trouble. There are licensing trolls who do image searches and send out scary notifications just in the hope of pay-offs from site owners. Nicking pics for a powerpoint presentation is very different from hosting them on one's site.
And, of course, the Guardian is huge, so has to be risk-averse. Well, not when it comes to giving away bucketloads of content and maintaining massive news rooms while burning through the cash from Autotrader & MEN. But cautious when it comes to not being sued by rights owners.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Useful insights there, thanks.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Touché @ShipOfGoldblum
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm surprised that the club doesn't have a regularly updated press pack on the stadium with images that can be reused.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Dunno. In their position, I'd want renders of fitted-out corporate hospitality suites to be much easier for newspapers to get hold of than anything else.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Yep, part of the reason why I'd want to control the images that were used. Have exterior and interior shots looking the most complete and whatever inside you want to most show off. Free advertising.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Thinking about it, the question here is whether you want to make your stock of licensed photos available on the Internet, or to control the distribution to hacks. Some businesses have really good media resources online, but lots don't. So this isn't just a matter of Spurs being light on resource and professionalism, it's a choice that lots of grown-up communications professionals make.
And I guess that if journos have to ring to get images, then you find out what they are writing about, and you get to put your side of the story and offer relevant quotes. Which is presumably judged more worthwhile than the prize of getting your preferred images used.
Maybe. I dabbled in PR briefly in my youth, but I know the other side of the fence much better.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I've dabbled in it too but am far from an expert and haven't done it for a while.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Not as bad as the terrible effort from Sky in this piece. Look at the photo they claim is from July near the end of the article.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...rs-make-50-mile-trip-for-home-carabao-cup-tie
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
I think they are right, it is from July, just July 2017 not 2018! You can still see the old South Stand! Think it’s called poetic license?
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Re some of the earlier comments above : the risks/penalties involved with IP infringement are potentially huge.
Whilst lots of cribbing does go on at an individual level, no (media) company worth its salt is going to take the risk of republishing copyrighted material without having a distribution licence in place with the source, or with an intermediary that has bought the licensing rights. Which takes time - and often money.
There might be advantages to the club in having up to date material available, but they would still want to have some caveats around use cases. The occasional use, along with time-to-press deadlines, makes it more efficient to use old, already licensed, stock.
Whilst lots of cribbing does go on at an individual level, no (media) company worth its salt is going to take the risk of republishing copyrighted material without having a distribution licence in place with the source, or with an intermediary that has bought the licensing rights. Which takes time - and often money.
There might be advantages to the club in having up to date material available, but they would still want to have some caveats around use cases. The occasional use, along with time-to-press deadlines, makes it more efficient to use old, already licensed, stock.
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Ian Walker
I don't know why anyone who has ever dealt with a contractor would believe any timescale they gave to have a project completed by, in my job I saw plenty of unrealistic targets agreed by promise the earth contractors and head up their arse directors.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Spurs' new stadium 'will be greatest ever built' says chief engineer http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45586929
Spurs' new stadium 'will be greatest ever built' says chief engineer
By Richard Conway
BBC sports news correspondent
The new dividing pitch is currently being installed at the stadium
Tottenham's new stadium will be "the greatest that's ever been built", says one of the chief engineers working on the delayed project.
The delayed new 62,000-seat arena was due to open on 15 September.
It means Spurs play Watford in Milton Keynes on Wednesday because their usual temporary home - Wembley Stadium - is not ready after last weekend's Anthony Joshua fight.
"We've tried to do something in double time," engineer Nick Cooper said.
"If you look at any other project of this nature you wouldn't have achieved as much as we've achieved with the stadium.
"Be patient with us, we understand the frustrations."
Contractor Mace has claimed faulty wiring is behind the delay, while Spurs have not given a new completion date. Manager Mauricio Pochettino said he is "confident" it will be ready this year.
"It's been radio silence from the club," says Pete Haine, secretary of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust in reference to the lack of an official date for the first game.
"I can understand their point of view. I can understand the fact they don't want to commit to another date and then fail to meet it.
"As fans we'd like to know, we'd like some certainty. If it's going to be next year then fine. Tell us. We can plan for that."
The situation has been compounded for season ticket holders due to incompatible ticketing systems between the new stadium and Wembley - requiring fans to claim a refund from the club for games that have moved and then having to buy a new ticket for the game at Wembley.
Last month the Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy said that he hoped to announce an opening date as soon as possible.
"We are all focused on ensuring contractors deliver our new stadium in the shortest possible period of time and opening our stadium at the earliest opportunity," Levy said.
"We are now being regularly updated on progress and as soon as we have confidence in our project managers' and contractors' ability to deliver against the revised schedule of works, we shall be able to issue dates for test events and the official opening game."
Cooper said the pitch will be laid next week, indicating that the stadium could be nearly ready.
Built in virtually every corner of the UK - how Tottenham's ground is coming together
By Richard Conway
BBC sports news correspondent
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The new dividing pitch is currently being installed at the stadium
Tottenham's new stadium will be "the greatest that's ever been built", says one of the chief engineers working on the delayed project.
The delayed new 62,000-seat arena was due to open on 15 September.
It means Spurs play Watford in Milton Keynes on Wednesday because their usual temporary home - Wembley Stadium - is not ready after last weekend's Anthony Joshua fight.
"We've tried to do something in double time," engineer Nick Cooper said.
"If you look at any other project of this nature you wouldn't have achieved as much as we've achieved with the stadium.
"Be patient with us, we understand the frustrations."
Contractor Mace has claimed faulty wiring is behind the delay, while Spurs have not given a new completion date. Manager Mauricio Pochettino said he is "confident" it will be ready this year.
"It's been radio silence from the club," says Pete Haine, secretary of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust in reference to the lack of an official date for the first game.
"I can understand their point of view. I can understand the fact they don't want to commit to another date and then fail to meet it.
"As fans we'd like to know, we'd like some certainty. If it's going to be next year then fine. Tell us. We can plan for that."
The situation has been compounded for season ticket holders due to incompatible ticketing systems between the new stadium and Wembley - requiring fans to claim a refund from the club for games that have moved and then having to buy a new ticket for the game at Wembley.
Last month the Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy said that he hoped to announce an opening date as soon as possible.
"We are all focused on ensuring contractors deliver our new stadium in the shortest possible period of time and opening our stadium at the earliest opportunity," Levy said.
"We are now being regularly updated on progress and as soon as we have confidence in our project managers' and contractors' ability to deliver against the revised schedule of works, we shall be able to issue dates for test events and the official opening game."
Cooper said the pitch will be laid next week, indicating that the stadium could be nearly ready.
Built in virtually every corner of the UK - how Tottenham's ground is coming together
- The stadium will feature the world's first dividing, retractable grass pitch built by a Leicester-based firm. Underneath will be an artificial NFL surface - all part of Spurs' grand plan to provide a world-class venue for both sports.
- The Sky Walk, a unique visitor attraction which will allow people to climb the exterior of the stadium up to 40 metres high, has been manufactured by a Midlands-based construction company.
- Six 70-metre trusses capable of extending across the pitch will suspend 950 powerful lights to help grow the grass. The trusses then all fold away, collapsing under the subterranean NFL pitch.
- The three pitch trays which form the retractable grass pitch were manufactured across Yorkshire by a Sheffield engineering specialist firm.
- The stadium steel works were made by a Lancashire-based company who also worked on the Olympic Stadium.
- The concrete panels featuring the club crest, positioned at the north entrance of the stadium, were cast in Sclamhorpe.
- Spurs claim the local economy will be boosted by £293m each year and 3,500 jobs created across the entire stadium scheme to handle an expected two million visitors per year.
- 258 affordable homes have been built nearby and money has been ploughed into a partnership with nine independent schools to create the London Academy of Excellence, which is connected to the building that houses the club's new offices.
Daisuk
Dimitar Berbatov
OK, last FIFA-related post I'll make in here. Here's from FIFA 19, Spurs vs Barcelona, playing at the new stadium, using broadcast camera.
Point is, possibly a bit of a glimpse of what the stadium will look like on TV. I reckon the filming will in reality be higher up though.
Point is, possibly a bit of a glimpse of what the stadium will look like on TV. I reckon the filming will in reality be higher up though.
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Serge Aurier
Thing is because there is so much social media now and technology has allowed the club to show the live feeds of the stadium to us we all know where we are with the stadium pretty much (apart from official behind the scenes stuff). At first it was brilliant and I would watch it every day up and until the delays were announced and I now just look at it say once or twice a week.
It is great that we have all this but I’m wondering whether it would have been better to just turn up on opening day and say “oooooh look at this it looks lovely.” Like they did for the emirates and other new builds back in the day.
It is great that we have all this but I’m wondering whether it would have been better to just turn up on opening day and say “oooooh look at this it looks lovely.” Like they did for the emirates and other new builds back in the day.