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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

Jordinho said:
Bazza. on SSC has been out in his plane again:

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DubaiSpur said:
I amended that point to include more examples. In the Italian case, for instance, the ultras don't actually own their clubs, but they can certainly influence them to the extent that they acquiesce to most of what the ultras demand an awful lot of the time. When you compare that to an utterly powerless supporters' trust simply asking questions which the club voluntarily answers, which comes off as more 'entitled'?



You're not talking about a club being run professionally, though. You're talking about a club being completely turned into a corporation that simply provides a product that neutral consumers then pay for and expect to be delivered reliably and consistently - that goes a good deal further than the former scenario. In the latter, you're talking about a stadium of mute spectators expecting their money's worth when watching games and angrily asking Citizens' Advice to step in and enforce consumer protection laws when they feel Tottenham Hotspur PLC failed to provide them exactly what they specified they would. So, I guess my question would be, do you consider yourself a 'supporter' of MetLife, Inc.? Or Pepsico, Inc.? or Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited? If you've ever paid for their services or products, after all, you've entered into exactly the same sort of relationship you state you have 'no problem' with when it comes to that between customers and the corporation that used to be Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

Look, why you support Spurs is unique to you, as it is to all of us. You are a fellow supporter of the same club I support, in every sense of the word. I'm just trying to make you see that what you do when you support Spurs is radically different to what the relationship would be in a coldly businesslike company-customer relationship. It isn't something you'd likely be fine with, were it to happen. And, even assuming for the sake of argument that you would, the 'business' side of the club would undoubtedly suffer were the actual relationship between the club and the fans to become what you've suggested - a club with a stadium that immediately empties when the punters are remotely dissastisfied with what they're seeing, and is otherwise mostly silent except when the spectators feel entertained enough to have gotten their money's worth, isn't exactly one that the cameras and the advertisers will flock to. You can play the most beautiful football in the world, but with a largely empty or silent concrete bowl, you're going to struggle to raise any sort of excitement even if the commentators on TV scream like banshees.
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I can't believe you are using Italian Ultras as an example.
They are just organised criminals using threats and violence to drain money out of football and into their own pockets.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ltras-the-dangerous-fans-who-control-the-game
 
Saw on MOTD today that some seats have been put in! Only about two rows of around 20 seats mind you....
 
There were plenty of people yesterday (myself included) just standing in the central part of the walkway looking in awe at the progress being made. Very impressive indeed, and just a little bit spine-tingling to see how it is all taking shape.
 
Its surprising how far a photo goes on the internet, one screen grab of some seats ends up all over the place.
 
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