Toby Alderweireld

[Daisuk]

I reckon he's gone. It's a big loss, one of the best defenders I've ever seen play, let alone for Tottenham. But! We've proved that we can handle life without him. If we can't afford his demands, then there's not much to do about it. You give one guy a raise like that, and they all want it. Not sustainable.

Sell him abroad in the summer. As much as I'd hate to see him leave, I can sort of understand his wish to cash in on his last contract (if I take my Spurs glasses off) - he's up there with the very best and could/should earn just as much as the very elite.

Double swoop for De Ligt and De Jong from Ajax and we've got a good foundation.

 

[AdamB]

If we really have offered him £130k per week but he still decides to jump ship then fair enough. I don't think many on here would want the club to be held to ransom, and moving much above that £130k level, and certainly to the £180k mark, feels like we'd be paying over the odds. Club have done what seems entirely reasonable to me in that scenario

Not seen de Ligt play but to be good enough to play international football for a sensible team at just 18 years old, and at centre back(!), shows he must have something about him

 

[Lemonade Money]

My friends from Amsterdam have said that we are reported to be looking at De ligt

The chills that you spill up my back keep me filled with satisfaction when we're done satisfaction of what's to come. I couldn't ask for another.

 

[Gazza]

The chills that you spill up my back keep me filled with satisfaction when we're done satisfaction of what's to come. I couldn't ask for another.

Sing it baby

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Exactly. If they do not get Toby, they will find someone else. And to be honest, I would rather we were the ones that found that someone else, especially if it is a young up-and-coming player. Look at Harley, for example. Would you trade him to keep Toby? I wouldn't. So if trading Toby means we get another Harley, I am all for it. Else our PL rivals will get him and they will have a player for the future, while we're left with a superb, but aging CF whose best days might have passed him by.

So Toby leaving might make our opponents stronger, but that doesn't mean we will not be getting stronger too. It's not going to cause a massive shift in the balance of power. I mean, he's not Messi, he's just a very very good CF. And as our results from this season have shown (I mean, we could get to 85 points, in spite of tons of injuries and playing at Wembley!), definitely not irreplaceable.

Well... city thought they had the answer with ottamendi, then with mangala, then with stones... and spent about £130M to get those players who aren’t as good as our current reserve (Toby) although I’ll admit Ottamendi has had a great season

Chelsea have brought in players like Rudiger and Christiansen who are IMO weaker than the ones they have replaced.

Arsenal need centre backs too as their are pretty bang average

Pool have spent £105m on 2 centre backs who again really aren’t up there with the best although VVD may prove me wrong

United.... they struggle scouting players full stop
They brought Bailey how had only played about 50 careered games and doesn’t appear to have got the physical side right yet (his own fitness that is). They also recently brought Lindehof for £30 something M and he has been average at best. They still have Blind, Rojo, Smalling, Jones, The lad on loan at palace and I’m sure more somewhere else tucked away. Again none that would get near our current side.

Strangely the best centre backs this season other than our own mighty crop have been English IMO. Two at Burnley and one at Leicester and the would all be gettable by us for less than I’m sure we would get for Toby

 

[Mikey10]

He’s gone. He deserves a big pay day if he can wangle it. We have Jan, Sanchez and Foyth. In Poch we trust. Let’s move on

 

[Rorschach]

I reckon he's gone. It's a big loss, one of the best defenders I've ever seen play, let alone for Tottenham. But! We've proved that we can handle life without him. If we can't afford his demands, then there's not much to do about it. You give one guy a raise like that, and they all want it. Not sustainable.

Sell him abroad in the summer. As much as I'd hate to see him leave, I can sort of understand his wish to cash in on his last contract (if I take my Spurs glasses off) - he's up there with the very best and could/should earn just as much as the very elite.

Double swoop for De Ligt and De Jong from Ajax and we've got a good foundation.

Very good dribbler and an eye for a pass from his youtube vids. I like him. Suitable as an Eriksen understudy I guess though he seems to dribble from deep quite a lot.

 

[jabbathehut]

Whats interesting is there doesn't seem to be a front runner for him.With Walker it was pretty much city from when it came out.

 

[alekaras]

Well... city thought they had the answer with ottamendi, then with mangala, then with stones... and spent about £130M to get those players who aren’t as good as our current reserve (Toby) although I’ll admit Ottamendi has had a great season

Chelsea have brought in players like Rudiger and Christiansen who are IMO weaker than the ones they have replaced.

Arsenal need centre backs too as their are pretty bang average

Pool have spent £105m on 2 centre backs who again really aren’t up there with the best although VVD may prove me wrong

United.... they struggle scouting players full stop
They brought Bailey how had only played about 50 careered games and doesn’t appear to have got the physical side right yet (his own fitness that is). They also recently brought Lindehof for £30 something M and he has been average at best. They still have Blind, Rojo, Smalling, Jones, The lad on loan at palace and I’m sure more somewhere else tucked away. Again none that would get near our current side.

Strangely the best centre backs this season other than our own mighty crop have been English IMO. Two at Burnley and one at Leicester and the would all be gettable by us for less than I’m sure we would get for Toby

Yes, but they don't have Poch as their manager, who can both spot a good CB in the making and improve him, to boot.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I get people having confidence in Sanchez and Vertonghen but I fear people are being a bit premature putting so much faith in Foyth (see what I did there) who we've seen for about 30 minutes.

 

[StephenH]

I get people having confidence in Sanchez and Vertonghen but I fear people are being a bit premature putting so much faith in Foyth (see what I did there) who we've seen for about 30 minutes.

I have not a clue about any of our players in truth, who really on here does? I've never spoken to or been around them to know what makes them tick.
We all rely on Pochettino and his crew to make it work.
That is where our confidence comes from with Foyth, they have truly made it work.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

...The lad on loan at palace

Fosu-Mensa, only seen him a few times, but he has been outstanding every time. One Id be interested in poaching if the chance ever arose.

I get people having confidence in Sanchez and Vertonghen but I fear people are being a bit premature putting so much faith in Foyth (see what I did there) who we've seen for about 30 minutes.

Foyth looks class, but he is too raw to be a regular yet. Ideally we keep Toby for a couple more seasons and let them naturally transition.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Fosu-Mensa, only seen him a few times, but he has been outstanding every time. One Id be interested in poaching if the chance ever arose.



Foyth looks class, but he is too raw to be a regular yet. Ideally we keep Toby for a couple more seasons and let them naturally transition.

Fonsu Mensah was great at united... but hasn’t been at Palace when I’ve seen them

Still looks a talent though

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Fonsu Mensah was great at united... but hasn’t been at Palace when I’ve seen them

Still looks a talent though

As I say, I really havent seen much of him. A few games at Utd, one at Palace I think - and in each one he was a stand out player.

He is young, and inexperienced, so to hear he hasnt been great isnt much of a surprise.

 

[RunTMC]

I get people having confidence in Sanchez and Vertonghen but I fear people are being a bit premature putting so much faith in Foyth (see what I did there) who we've seen for about 30 minutes.

Assuming the rumour’s true, do you think we should pay the £180k pw?

 

[Jurgen the German]

Assuming the rumour’s true, do you think we should pay the £180k pw?

Maybe not £180k a week but I definitely think we should be prepared to go close to it, say £150k a week. That would still make him one of the highest paid CB's in Europe. We just announced a profit of £40m IIRC? What's the point of going through the hassle of demolishing WHL and redeveloping it only to potentially lose 3 of our 4 first choice defenders over the last couple of years in the space of two summers? I guess I just can't believe how casual some of you are being about him leaving, especially if we sell him to City or United who have average/old centre halves.

Let's not forget one of the reasons we lost to Juve was because we were not quite good enough defensively. I fail to see how the addition of Toby to our back line wouldn't have made at least some difference.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I reckon he's gone. It's a big loss, one of the best defenders I've ever seen play, let alone for Tottenham. But! We've proved that we can handle life without him. If we can't afford his demands, then there's not much to do about it. You give one guy a raise like that, and they all want it. Not sustainable.

Sell him abroad in the summer. As much as I'd hate to see him leave, I can sort of understand his wish to cash in on his last contract (if I take my Spurs glasses off) - he's up there with the very best and could/should earn just as much as the very elite.

Double swoop for De Ligt and De Jong from Ajax and we've got a good foundation.

What would you think if Harry Kane wanted a significant pay rise and wanted to be paid at a similar rate to Aguero for example?

 

[thfcsteff]

What would you think if Harry Kane wanted a significant pay rise and wanted to be paid at a similar rate to Aguero for example?

I think that despite injuries, Harry Kane has absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt proven his value over and over (we know this I know). We need him. He is what, 24? He battles through injuries. He will absolutely get a bumper rise because he has earned it and also shown loyalty. Toby is being offered a pretty fudging decent pay packet there but is holding out for a bigger pay-day. He is what, 29? Had two bad injuries the last two seasons? Sorry, I would look ahead too if an offer like the one we made was dismissed. I say let him get paid by PSG and be done with it, move on, etc...comparing Hazza and Toby right now is not a comparison IMO.


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[Olle73]

For me the maths is very simple;

Pay 180k/w for Harry, Dele and Christian? Hell yes!
Pay 180k/w for Toby? No

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Maybe not £180k a week but I definitely think we should be prepared to go close to it, say £150k a week. That would still make him one of the highest paid CB's in Europe. We just announced a profit of £40m IIRC? What's the point of going through the hassle of demolishing WHL and redeveloping it only to potentially lose 3 of our 4 first choice defenders over the last couple of years in the space of two summers? I guess I just can't believe how casual some of you are being about him leaving, especially if we sell him to City or United who have average/old centre halves.

Let's not forget one of the reasons we lost to Juve was because we were not quite good enough defensively. I fail to see how the addition of Toby to our back line wouldn't have made at least some difference.

Like most of us, I'd love for us to be able to keep Toby. And if it's true that we have offered him £130k pw, then it sounds as if we are really pushing the limits of the salary structure (although I would suspect that's inclusive of bonuses, not basic). If pushing that closer to £150k would make the difference then I wouldn't be averse to that in theory, but that only works if we can look at Toby in isolation. Which of course we can't. How much further behind Toby does Vertonghen deserve to be? He's been one of our best players this season, if not the best. Then of course there is no way Toby is going to be paid more than our world-class striker and club-talisman Kane who is surely going to get a bumper increase in the summer. It's widely agreed that Eriksen is our next most important player behind Kane (maybe even ahead of him in some aspects) and he is definitely deserving of being in the upper echelon of earners. Dele might be very young still, but he will have suitors and if we want to keep him for a season or two longer we are going to have to pay him substantially more than he is on at the moment.
Then there's the trickle down effect to the next level. Ben Davies has been an absolute stalwart this season (I can't recall when he last got an upgrade, maybe it's not actually due, but is possibly deserved). Lamela needs to sign a new contract and is playing better than ever.... etc etc.
Even if we could offer our top tier players in or around £150kpw, that is then setting a benchmark for new players joining us, if they are already established and experienced.

As I say, keeping Toby is definitely my preference and I still harbour a diminishing hope that a solution will be found. But if it can't and he has to go, then so be it and hopefully it will be abroad. That's not being casual about him leaving at all, just being realistic about the likely outcome. I certainly feel more confident now in our ability to cope without him than I would have done 12 months ago.