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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?

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Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Gutter Boy said:
He needed to be self-aware though of the baggage he came with and the perception the fanbase had of him.

A little bit of humility and humbleness might actually have caused his fiercest critics to rethink a little.

But no, he went hammer and tongs at proving that all the prejudices people had against him were more than reasonable.
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Let us be completely honest GB. Considering you actively wanted us to lose at the beginning of his tenure, there is absolutely nothing he could have done which would have caused you to rethink for even a second.

Also, there's nothing noble about Spurs. Do people still really believe this stuff?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

GPRD81 said:
Feel sorry for Tim. He's clearly not at the level that we need a first team coach/manager to be at and one can hardly blame him for taking the job in the first place. However, he does have a genuine passion for the wellbeing of the club and I'd like to think he could at least have his old job back.

Some of his comments and pressers have left much to be desired, however, we should also remember how fed up we are with managers and players (in football generally) who trot out the same bland messages which are clearly provided by the PR dept.

That said, what angers me most about this episode is the behaviour of our supporters; we really ought to be ashamed of ourselves at the way we have reacted towards the manager; perhaps we mirror the attitude of the Chairman in having over heightened view of our position so when we point out the support that Rodgers received from the Liverpool owners when others (Levy) probably would have sacked him after a far more miserable campaign last season (than we have had this year) and I dare say we also would have wanted him out too; lets face it we have previous for this as well; we have once again shown a real snobbish attitude in the same way many did over Redknapp and to an extent Graham several years ago.
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Sorry I don't want to offend anyone but WALOB. Your entitled to feel sorry for Tim but let's face it is he really deserving of it? The way he has carried himself throughout his 'stint' for me says he doesn't deserve pity he's got what he's deserved. I don't blame him for taking the job, that's levy fault. But I don't get how anyone can say he has a genuine passion for the well being of the club ? Seriously you believe that? In what way had he demonstrated his passion for the well being of the club? When he was alienating several members of the playing staff? When he was acting like a jerk hiding in the stands bs Liverpool? When he was throwing his gillet about? Hes passionate but not for the well bring of the club just his own well being
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Spurmac1974 said:
Well done on not bothering to show a link to Keys apology for that made up bit of gossip!
You are the one with the agenda mate, the getting of a life is required.
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Do you mean the tweet were Keys was blatantly backtracking in order to cover up for his mate?
 
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JerusalemMan said:
IIRC, Keys was spinning 'reading an article in the Sun' as 'having an exclusive chinwag with Sherwood' but wrongly assigned words to him.
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Some people (like you) believe Keys completely made up a conversation between him and a friend of his.

Many people (like me) believe the conversation was real and that he made a private, off the record conversation public and the retraction was because of that.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Gutter Boy said:
He needed to be self-aware though of the baggage he came with and the perception the fanbase had of him.

A little bit of humility and humbleness might actually have caused his fiercest critics to rethink a little.

But no, he went hammer and tongs at proving that all the prejudices people had against him were more than reasonable.
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I obviously agree mate, I was simply referring to my own less-than-stellar contribution to this thread.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Here's what I have fairly conclude from the last few days in this thread:


1) The way the season has capitulated, and the style in which this has happened, has led to some enormous frustration on the behalf of some of us.

2) Some people will never see things the way others do. Thus some of us believe Sherwood is a self-promoting charlatan, others either do not or seem to think it needs comparison with previous all the time.

3) The bloke's own words annoy people on BOTH 'sides'!!!!

4) There is little room for humour in these matters (sadly).

5) I can't wait for August!
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Im with steff on this one. Im sorry if i came across earlier as anti TS, i was actually willing to give him a chance but he clearly is out of his depth though he'd never ever admit it and thats pretty much thd whole problem. Ex player with little or no experience takes over a top pl job, some can handle it others cant. Monk at swansea's done ok, giggs for whatever few games has done ok. Yes different pressures at both those places but management, fronting any team, is all about how you present yourself and how you want to be perceived.

There are no excuses for not being professional in everything you do at the top level. Lack of experience is a poor excuse- if you dont gave the experience you learn or seek the advice of those that do.

Tim is not a humble man, so when he cant back up his bluster, automatically he gets peoples backs up. Some people argue he is open honest frank about his views and good on him. Truth is that kind of leadership style is very very rarely successful. Its a people game and honestly i don't think Tim has those man management skills, or whether he will ever have those skills to be successful at the top level.

Its not his fault, he just has limitations like any amateur manager. I think if he were more open and honest about those limitations i think people would be more forgiving.

Suffice it to say there is no way back for TS now, it is just a waiting game. Roll on the next manager who we can only hope is more professional and experienced.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Hootnow said:
Let us be completely honest GB. Considering you actively wanted us to lose at the beginning of his tenure, there is absolutely nothing he could have done which would have caused you to rethink for even a second.

Also, there's nothing noble about Spurs. Do people still really believe this stuff?
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GB could have agreed with absolutely everything Sherwood did in terms of team selection, formation, substitutions, handling of the media as well as win every single game whilst manager and he would have still disliked him and found things to moan about/make up.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Hootnow said:
Let us be completely honest GB. Considering you actively wanted us to lose at the beginning of his tenure, there is absolutely nothing he could have done which would have caused you to rethink for even a second.

Also, there's nothing noble about Spurs. Do people still really believe this stuff?
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I think we should get Suarez as our new manager ;)
 
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I find it funny that all these rumours of unrest amongst the senior players hasn't made it out into the media eye.
 
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anyone have any idea what player recommendations timmeh would have given to levy?
 
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gungy said:
anyone have any idea what player recommendations timmeh would have given to levy?
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Sherwood has claimed he recommended Eriksen and he brought in Bentaleb. I suspect that "the committee" does not work like that anyway, the scouting network should mean that they are all aware of the players they are watching, what I suspect their roles are is to get different views on those players.
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
Do you mean the tweet were Keys was blatantly backtracking in order to cover up for his mate?
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Yeah thats the one, its all a big best mates circus. Do you really believe that crap! Blame Jamie, Blame Harry, Blame fat f****. Seriously kids give it a rest
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Kingdawson said:
GB could have agreed with absolutely everything Sherwood did in terms of team selection, formation, substitutions, handling of the media as well as win every single game whilst manager and he would have still disliked him and found things to moan about/make up.
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AVB behind a keyboard!
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Spurmac1974 said:
Yeah thats the one, its all a big best mates circus. Do you really believe that crap! Blame Jamie, Blame Harry, Blame fat f****. Seriously kids give it a rest
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You know Timmeh and Keys used to work together, right?

I'd consider anyone I worked in the same office as for any significant amount of time as a mate, wouldn't you? It's not at all far-fetched, in fact, it's the most likely scenario - far more likely than Keys inventing a conversation with a mate of his.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

GPRD81 said:
Feel sorry for Tim. He's clearly not at the level that we need a first team coach/manager to be at and one can hardly blame him for taking the job in the first place. However, he does have a genuine passion for the wellbeing of the club and I'd like to think he could at least have his old job back.

Some of his comments and pressers have left much to be desired, however, we should also remember how fed up we are with managers and players (in football generally) who trot out the same bland messages which are clearly provided by the PR dept.

That said, what angers me most about this episode is the behaviour of our supporters; we really ought to be ashamed of ourselves at the way we have reacted towards the manager; perhaps we mirror the attitude of the Chairman in having over heightened view of our position so when we point out the support that Rodgers received from the Liverpool owners when others (Levy) probably would have sacked him after a far more miserable campaign last season (than we have had this year) and I dare say we also would have wanted him out too; lets face it we have previous for this as well; we have once again shown a real snobbish attitude in the same way many did over Redknapp and to an extent Graham several years ago.
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Just a point on the Rodgers being given time fallacy, he took a team in 7th and got them 7th again, nothing wrong with that, prob hit expectation so why would he be sacked / come under pressure? Liverpools expectations at the time were much lower than ours. I'd say AVB pretty much hit expectations with us as well in the first season. The trouble was Rodgers was massively improving his Liverpool side this term mounting a serious top 4 (at the time) challenge and a very attractive side, whereas as we were boring as **** and getting worse, not better, under AVB, that's not too mention the apparent falling out with his bosses. The situations are simply not comparable, I'm a bit fed up of hearing this and the "look what happens when you don't sell your best players (Suarez)" arguments, it's just so obviously not the same situations to ours!

Also not sure on your comment about graham? He was a boring ex gooner manager who produced the worst spurs side I've ever seen going back to 1988. Nothing to do with snobbery.
 
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