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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

parj said:
A lot of players are missing placing passes. Surely that's a coaching thing too. Crap at passing all of a sudden, let's just ignore that. That's as bad as Ange refusing to work on set pieces.
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All of a sudden?? all of a sudden?
Did you see this

Rafa87 said:
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"Missing brick passes
F**** sloppy, f***** slow
Passing back instead of in front
No intensity"

Sound familiar...
 
I hope the people who have been calling Frank's narrative negative will pick up on what he has said in today's presser.

I liked this when talking about the balance between not getting time but needing time.

"make this big engine tick and get up to momentum and pace and then it is an unstoppable force - that is the big aim"

He also said "let's start our long unbeaten run at home on Saturday"

A few other great little positive statements as well.
 
Mabspurs said:
All of a sudden?? all of a sudden?
Did you see this


"Missing brick passes
F**** sloppy, f***** slow
Passing back instead of in front
No intensity"

Sound familiar...
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All of a sudden?, all of a sudden? yes!. Remind of how we were at the beginning of the season? We were capable of playing football. If we started brick, then I could understand.
 
Push and run said:
My dad's a little too old to frequent Internet forums, but he played/coached to a decent standard and asked something recently that resonated. When was the last time it looked like our players were enjoying playing football? Not celebrating after the game (Frankfurt/Bilbao/Etihad) but actually playing with enthusiasm and spirit?

I sometimes wonder if the endless team meetings/video analysis/being talked through a spreadsheet before you get on to the pitch don't play a part in making football even more of a job than it is: a job where half the people in a 60k stadium boo you for not doing it very well.

Someone said on here the other day we should get Ange back to do the team talks (although he was a moody so and so by the end), but it feels like there's a weight on these players' shoulders and lifting that might improve performance.

Thomas Frank seems like a smart man and he may have noticed this himself, but management is about cultivating an environment where people can display their talent to the best of their abilities. At the moment it feels like both players and supporters are dreading every game, something that needs to change for results to follow suit.
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I think any professional who enjoys their job probably isn’t doing it properly.

I fudging hate mine.
 
Mabspurs said:
All of a sudden?? all of a sudden?
Did you see this


"Missing brick passes
F**** sloppy, f***** slow
Passing back instead of in front
No intensity"

Sound familiar...
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It does sound familiar because we have two managers there who believe in the same thing.

Two common denominators between the eras.

1) Those players were off the back of a Poch era which produced some incredible football, synergy and nearly the biggest prize of all. They then get suddenly shoved next to 'The Winner' whose entire manner and approach is totally different. That sort of thing destablizes whether you like it or not.
2) Those players ploughed threough a bricky injury-plagued season to WIN a trophy. The subsequent club response is to say it wasn't good enough, we're going in another direction, and subsequently an entire system (which was implemented through the club) is dismantled within 6 months.
Without judging whether that was the right thing or not, the instability and erosion of confidence should be easy to gauge.

Are there some who have simply had the odd brick performance? Of course. But the 'slow, back instead of forwards', that is part of a tactical shift. BOTH those managers prefer counter attacking, so these players are fliop-flopped again.

This notion that the players are simply brick is, frankly, pathetic.
 
Mikey10 said:
…and the previous 18 months were all a bad dream.
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You're discussing a different element surely? The claim being made (as I understood it) was 'slow, no tempo, backwards instead of forwards' which is certainly NOT something anyone could accuse Postecoglu sides of (albeit I'm sure they'd blame him for the global political situation if possible)!!!
 
Push and run said:
My dad's a little too old to frequent Internet forums, but he played/coached to a decent standard and asked something recently that resonated. When was the last time it looked like our players were enjoying playing football? Not celebrating after the game (Frankfurt/Bilbao/Etihad) but actually playing with enthusiasm and spirit?

I sometimes wonder if the endless team meetings/video analysis/being talked through a spreadsheet before you get on to the pitch don't play a part in making football even more of a job than it is: a job where half the people in a 60k stadium boo you for not doing it very well.

Someone said on here the other day we should get Ange back to do the team talks (although he was a moody so and so by the end), but it feels like there's a weight on these players' shoulders and lifting that might improve performance.

Thomas Frank seems like a smart man and he may have noticed this himself, but management is about cultivating an environment where people can display their talent to the best of their abilities. At the moment it feels like both players and supporters are dreading every game, something that needs to change for results to follow suit.
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Exactly.
And this is where (equally) I feel sorry for him because he was brought in to what he thought was a progressive environment only to find turbulence and chaos in the structures immediately around him, which in turn place him under enormous strain. I might not necessarily like how we're playing, but I feel sorry for him on that level. And I also agree, cultivation of that environment is vital. These are young men, and they will always respond to positive leadership. I believe Frank does have that in his locker.
 
Rafa87 said:
Sorry if it’s a bit of a diversion from the actual topic but I saw this earlier….

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And it just made me think, I feel like that team talk could be given at basically any point in the last 4 or 5 managers now. I do often watch us and wonder if any of the players care, and if they give a toss win or lose… it’s the mentality of this club.

I’m not saying Frank is blameless, of course not. But why is it that with this club it just so often feels like it’s actually ok to not be trying in every moment or every game?
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Starts from the very top.

If any of you have played any level of football even in a kick about in the park, when you are getting pumped but then a few casuals join in and are amazing it lifts the spirit and the standard. If you are brick to begin with and hope to chuck in some last minute average players they are not going to change much.
 
Robspur12 said:
Oh I think Raziel has posted several times that it is all on Frank. Which I find bizarre given we had similar issues last season. With a manager who had a very defined style.
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Because Raziel thinks this squad should be in the top 3 like he said. He thinks we should have 16 pints more than we do right now. Because the thinks the squad is significantly better than it's showing both Ange and Frank are the failures, not the players.
 
parj said:
A lot of players are missing placing passes. Surely that's a coaching thing too. Crap at passing all of a sudden, let's just ignore that. That's as bad as Ange refusing to work on set pieces.
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It's not all of a bloody sudden, they were crap at passing last year too. 🤣

And the year before that, and the year before that and the year before that and the year ....
 
Bishop said:
Because Raziel thinks this squad should be in the top 3 like he said. He thinks we should have 16 pints more than we do right now. Because the thinks the squad is significantly better than it's showing both Ange and Frank are the failures, not the players.
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He hasn’t said that at all, you’re being a bit of a dingdong suggesting that he has.
 
ange had the benefit of having maddison and kulusevski for much of when he was there
these two are sorely missed and will be interesting to see if gallagher can perform like a damsgaard under TF
 
Finney Is Back said:
He hasn’t said that at all, you’re being a bit of a dingdong suggesting that he has.
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Raziel said:
I said they are all winnable games, and they are all games we should have expectations to win. I am aware football doesn't work like that, hence the caveat.

Reality is the entire PL is brick this year, if we did have our brick together, yes we would probably be in top 3 (like Villa), we don't and no, it isn't all on the manager but only winning 7 out of 21 when we have played some historically bad teams is on him.

This conversation is the perfect example of what keeping Ange and Frank has done to this club (and yes, Levy has to take some part of the blame for that), our own fans are bought into such a low fudging bar, that I'm deluded for thinking Spurs could/should beat bottom half PL teams or aim for something more than 8th
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This is what he said, he thinks we should be 3rd like Villa, he thinks all of those are winnable games. Where am I misunderstanding the his words?
 
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