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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

glorygloryeze said:
All a bit silly really eh. It could even have been one of Vinay's old cups.
If we'd won yesterday it'd be a non-story. Feel sorry for Frank he's looking more and more out of his depth though "Gooner cup-gate" is the least of his issues....

If he had the balls to actually drop one or two under performers for the Villa and even West Ham games he might get some respect back and possibly people fighting tooth and nail to play Dortmund....oh well..
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Interesting post. Who would you drop?

I can only really think of 4 and they are Vic, Spence, Xavi and Muani.

The ones like Romero, VDV and Porro who are being spoken about the most were the guys that led the fight back in my opinion. They wanted it way more than a guy like Spence who drifted through the entire game. They showed way more passion.

Edited: perhaps Bergval as well.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Because they don't actually give a brick about it. They just say it to pay lip service and try to curry some favour with the fans.
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We have not agreed on much but 100% with you there! Can't those baying for TF's blood see the problem is way deeper?? Or have ENIC managed so well to deflect their responsibility by sacking Levy, leaving the manager as the sole focus of the fan's ire at the club's obvious decline?
 
Mabspurs said:
Everyone definitely has a right to their opinion... but at the end of the day evaluations should be made on facts... and the facts are that the number of brain farts that both of them have - on a regular basis - are/were not seen by the players mentioned by @Bishop.

Take VDV - his main attribute is his speed of recovery. Ledley also had that. When you see VDV play, does his play even get close to the consistent solid defensive performances that Ledley used to churn out, week in week out; especially before his knee gave way???
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VDV is a great high line defender, he is an average mid block defender and a poor low block defender. Unfortunately our tactics see us play mainly the latter two styles of play.
 
Finney Is Back said:
VDV is a great high line defender, he is an average mid block defender and a poor low block defender. Unfortunately our tactics see us play mainly the latter two styles of play.
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Exactly!! Wow!! Second agreement today!!! :D

I rarely propose team tactics since I am not arrogant enough to think I know better than someone who is trained in the skill.

However I would move VDV to left back and bring in Danso or Dragusin who are very much low/mid block defenders
 
Mabspurs said:
The problem is not that you buy a backup who becomes the starter... it's the quality of the replacement. Brighton sold Caicedo and bought Baleba... no difference. And that's just one example. But they have a PROPER recruitment - not our incompetent bunch that we are lumped with
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They have invested huge amounts in their recruitment. Levy had our recruitment department running on a shoe string. It will take time to fix this, a luxury that we don't have right now but we do have to muddle through until (hopefully) a proper structure is put in place with great people in every role in that structure (poaching the best from the best because we'll pay them more).
 
Muttley said:
Interesting post. Who would you drop?

I can only really think of 4 and they are Vic, Spence, Xavi and Muani.

The ones like Romero, VDV and Porro who are being spoken about the most were the guys that led the fight back in my opinion. They wanted it way more than a guy like Spence who drifted through the entire game. They showed way more passion.

Edited: perhaps Bergval as well.
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Bergvall, poor guy, seems to be made of cheese, sadly. So he's sitting out regardless.

I'd have started the following vs Villa (before the Romero outburst had sullied things):



Kinksky (chance for redemption - or further humiliation!)
Spence Romero Danso VDV
Grey Palhinha
Odobert Xavi Tel
Richarlison

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I would have stuck with that team vs West Ham and Dortmund as well.

But then this Romero outburst and poor form makes me want to start none of Romero, Richarlison, Porro and also MVDV..


Yeah, i know....
 
Mabspurs said:
And what "circumstances" are these? A history of perpetual underacheivement? A single trophy in 17 years? Expecting champagne football with a crate of Lidl players? Or one where the opposing manager starts his half time talk when 2-0 down with: "Lads... it's Tottenham!!"
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The manager that won that single trophy in 17 years was sacked.... This tells you where the problem has been (perhaps still is?) at our club.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Bergvall, poor guy, seems to be made of cheese, sadly. So he's sitting out regardless.

I'd have started the following vs Villa (before the Romero outburst had sullied things):



Kinksky (chance for redemption - or further humiliation!)
Spence Romero Danso VDV
Grey Palhinha
Odobert Xavi Tel
Richarlison

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I would have stuck with that team vs West Ham and Dortmund as well.

But then this Romero outburst and poor form makes me want to start none of Romero, Richarlison, Porro and also MVDV..


Yeah, i know....
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Whereas I couldn't imagine a line-up without Porro, Romero and VDV. They are the biggest fighters we have, probably along with Palhinha.

I'd shake Spence to the core and get him to start owning it like Porro does. He needs to care more about what is happening.

Most of all we need Dom back.
 
glasgowspur said:
Jose was on a downward spiral by the time he came to us, he saw an opportunity to take a fading side, reinvigorate it and win a trophy, boosting his own stock again.
He underestimated how much the squad was on the brink of collapse.
Conte was never properly backed Imv, wasted appointment. His abrasive manner and his tactics were not a great fit for this club.
The two managers who actually understood the club, started to turn it around and brought some semblance of success were sacked.
Elite managers need elite backing, as a club we are not elite, what we need is a suitable manager, and what he'll need is time and investment.
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He still might've got that trophy if he'd actually been allowed to do the thing that we'd brought him in to do.... i.e. manage. As always though £'s were considered more important than glory.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I don't think either of them were even first choice at centre back for Belgium? I remember them playing a lot of games at right back and left back?
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Yeah, only because they had the versatility to switch out to full-back. Ditto with VDV with VVD still doing the biz. Toby had that with Kompany.

In some ways it's like saying that most likely our best full-back is Romero. If we had world class centre halves, Romero would still be selected ahead of Porro and Spence.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Fact is, Frank isn't the problem. Give him enough time and he'll look better, only because nearly any coach looks better once he's given time. And he's a good bloke - humble and truthful, which always counts for something in my book.

Whether his system has much upside beyond, say, 10th-12th every year - that's still to be decided, given his high water-mark at Brentford was finishing midtable.

But ultimately, keep Frank or sack Frank, neither will really fix the hole we're in. Only money can fix that - moving on poor players and buying good ones, in positions that make sense, to keep the squad constantly improving, getting better.

Until I see us engaging in that sort of behaviour, I don't expect anything to change mate. And so I don't get annoyed about it any more - it's plain as day to see our direction, and until it changes, I won't let my mental health be destroyed by agonizing over it. These days it hurts a little less when we lose than it used to, and that's worth something. To me, at least.
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So responding to the important bits

- I agree Frank is a decent guy (I never have a go at him personally) but don't think time will help because unfortunately I don't think the players are buying what he is selling.
- I also don't think a better manager couldn't get this team to 7th/8th, if you go through our results, there are enough dross teams where we setup wrong, picked the wrong starting lineup, that we could be 4-6 points ahead.

Re the money, correct, and it turns out the new owners are the old owners (something I always suspected), and regardless of Chairman/CEO there are limitations put on them.

Glad you are doing right thing for you, I took about 5 months off the social media stuff because it got so fudging toxic, trying to keep it level but it's so frustrating that the club is just going to watch this guy burn, not help him and no plan for the next one either
 
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