We were not 'safe in January' unless we were in possession of a sports almanac from the future - you're safe when you're safe, when the teams in the relegation places can't catch you - which for us was when there were 5 games left to play.
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Thomas Frank - Head Coach
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We were not 'safe in January' unless we were in possession of a sports almanac from the future - you're safe when you're safe, when the teams in the relegation places can't catch you - which for us was when there were 5 games left to play.
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
Arsenal beating Ipswich"Mathematically safe" is how I worked it out mate
Bishop
Christian Ziege
Balanced football works if you have the players. Poch did, Harry did. No one else has.
Bishop
Christian Ziege
Yup. The shot from just outside the penalty box is our weakness this season. Last year it was the overload at the far post with the player unmarked.
This is clearly something that needs to be worked on.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
I think you’re completely right on this. The starting point is that we were never in danger of getting relegated, and someone argues that we weren’t mathematically safe until with 5 games to go, but the relegated teams are not winning those 5 games in a row, and if there was any danger of them getting near us in the weeks prior to that, we would have made selections and upped the intensity to prioritise the league.
We were simply never in danger of getting relegated. We were not almost relegated. A ridiculous injury crisis made it so that we had nothing to play for in the league and could only wring any success out of the season through Europe.
I never agreed that Ange ‘threw’ the league in the sense, but there were 2 games in particular that we did absolutely give up before they started. Villa away we played such a reserve side that Reguillon started. And Brighton at home, the players were still hungover. So we effectively played a 36 game season in order to win the Europa. We were 5 points from 14th, and had a better goal difference than everyone around us and only one worse than Palace and Fulham in 11th and 12th.
We were simply not in danger of getting relegated. We lost a lot of games on fine margins while preserving intensity and fitness for the competition we could win. Any genuine danger in the league and we would have made vastly different calculations.
Baleforce
Chris Waddle
sometimes they do
West Brom, Leicester, Wigan, all put in storming final months to drag themselves out
we were in danger, teams in that position have dropped before
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Well apparently I’m wrong
The related sides clearly fought until the end … although the end was a record early period I believe for all of them
amazing how everything can be flipped in life and football
Yes, although Bentancur has been equally at fault from memory (I haven't subjected myself to the video to see if that's accurate)
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
The players are doing as instructed as it’s clearly the default position
A few of them were recorded. He speaks very well.
You're the one doing the flipping mate - safe is a quantifiable term, in this instance it means the point at which you can no longer be relegated/overtaken - it's standard football parlance. What it doesn't mean and how i have never seen it used is 'the point of the season where a team reaches a points-lotal greater than that of which the relegated team(s) eventually finished on'
Fwiw I'm not the one saying we were close to being relegated, that was someone else - 17th in the table and the worst league performance in our history is bad enough for me, without having to dress it up as something it wasn't.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
What the fcuk have I been missing all these years with relegation.
I always believed you were safe when the teams under you could no longer mathematically match your total with games left.
I always believed you were safe when the teams under you could no longer mathematically match your total with games left.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
Sure, but bringing the term ‘mathematically safe’ into the discussion was a device to distract from the original terms of the debate, which were whether or not we were ever in serious danger of getting relegated. And we were not ever in serious danger of getting relegated. If we were, we would have made different selection decisions.
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
I take your word for it, I wasn't involved in that convo and lost track after a while
I was just saying, what ive always thought as safe is when you are mathematically safe
clownfoot
Pascal Chimbonda
If the stories about Frank not wanting our players to shoot from outside the box because it’s low xG returns are true, then the fact we keep conceding these types of goals is quite funny.
I need to find humour in these types of ironies in order to cope