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The Ugly Truth

I'm not quite sure how we're 5th in all honesty, pretty much everything has gone wrong and there have been very few shining lights. For all the OTT criticism Sherwood is receiving, he's still averaged two points per game in the league, can't really ask/expect much more than that.

Come on, it hasn't. We've been **** recently, but for the first few games after Sherwood took over we were quite positive.

- We won and scored three goals at Southampton.
- Scored another three goals at home to Stoke and won comfortably (and could've scored a lot more).
- We beat United away.
- Had a **** first half against Palace, then were good in the second and won by a two goal margin.
- Then another 3 points and 3 more goals away to Swansea.
- Then we were somewhat unlucky to get a red card that ruined our game against City, but we did look awful in the beginning of that match.
- Draw at Hull.
- Hard fought win at home against a very tough Everton side.
- We then trashed Saudi Sportswashing Machine 4-0 away in one of our most impressive games of the season.
- Then two stinkers against Dnipro and Norwich.
- Beat Cardiff despite a poor game, turned the game around against Dnipro to go through.
- Collapsed after having played a good first half against Chelski and lost 3-1 yesterday in a poor defensive performance against Benfica.

We haven't played incredibly poor, it's just that us football supporters tend to have a bit of a short term memory, always placing a lot more emphasis on the last couple of games than seeing the bigger picture. I do agree though, right now we don't look too spirited. We need to pick ourselves up and find some belief. A win against Scum on Sunday could very well do that.
 
Come on, it hasn't. We've been **** recently, but for the first few games after Sherwood took over we were quite positive.

- We won and scored three goals at Southampton.
- Scored another three goals at home to Stoke and won comfortably (and could've scored a lot more).
- We beat United away.
- Had a **** first half against Palace, then were good in the second and won by a two goal margin.
- Then another 3 points and 3 more goals away to Swansea.
- Then we were somewhat unlucky to get a red card that ruined our game against City, but we did look awful in the beginning of that match.
- Draw at Hull.
- Hard fought win at home against a very tough Everton side.
- We then trashed Saudi Sportswashing Machine 4-0 away in one of our most impressive games of the season.
- Then two stinkers against Dnipro and Norwich.
- Beat Cardiff despite a poor game, turned the game around against Dnipro to go through.
- Collapsed after having played a good first half against Chelski and lost 3-1 yesterday in a poor defensive performance against Benfica.

We haven't played incredibly poor, it's just that us football supporters tend to have a bit of a short term memory, always placing a lot more emphasis on the last couple of games than seeing the bigger picture. I do agree though, right now we don't look too spirited. We need to pick ourselves up and find some belief. A win against Scum on Sunday could very well do that.

Good post!

but I still have a nigling feeling that were going backwards somewhere...

We do have some good players but there is a lack the skill in important areas ,,to take us forward..there are too many question marks..in attack..midfield creativity..on the wings..

and as we all know our defence gets lost at times..just like it did yesterday............I some times think that our defence gets caught out because they are trying to help with
pushing forward too much as our midfield has stalled...and then they get caught out being too far forward..its up to the midfield to push forward and create the moves
and the defence to defend!..Having said that they still cant defend from dead ball situations...

oh well.............................
 
OUTS

Lloris - Not as solid as I would like, Good Shotstopper but questionable in terms of decisions and command. Not sure he fancies it it.
Vertonghen - Poor season, doesn't look like he wants to play for us anymore and thinks he should be at a higher level than what we offer imo
Rose - rates himself too highly. Absent minded and lacking in defensive nous
Capoue - Another who looks to have a questionable attitude and has offered nothing overall
Naughton - Braindead as a footballer with no outstanding attribute to advance him
Chadli - Would be tempted to give him another year but if we got our money back then I would sell. Hasn't shown much of any talent with the Saudi Sportswashing Machine goal an exception

BORDERLINE

Dawson - Would keep him but he cannot be first choice and cannot play in certain games against teams that are very mobile.
Holtby - Again would keep him but not sure he has an ideal place in our side. If we got above value offer then I would sell.
Paulinho - Haven't seen him produce anywhere near enough given his reputation. Probably needs another year to prove his talent and get used to the demand of the league and club.

KEEP

The Rest of the squad. Kaboul has looked ropey but then he has been injured for the best part of 18 months and I have faith that once he has a full pre season and a run of games then he will be back to his ommanding self. Chiriches looks decent enough and Walker at RB is good enough for us not to have to concern ourselves with that position. Lennon, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Lamela, Eriksen, Sandro and Townsend all have a part to play in our future. Adebayor should be kept and I am certain that Soldado will come good once our movement improves and players begin to play in a fashion that befits the club. I would bring Assou Ekotto back and Livermore too to replace Rose and Capoue.

IN'S

Begovic would be my choice to replace Lloris. Solid, dependable and commanding as well as knowing this league inside out.

Daley Blind or Ben Davies would be my choice of LB to compete with Assou Ekotto. Both are young and have good quality already with the potential to improve.

Ezequiel Garay would interest me greatly to replace Vertonghen. Seen a fair bit of him before and liked what I saw last night. Could be mutually helpful for the Lamela situation too as a fellow argentinian at the club.

I want our side to play with out and out wide players to recpature the pacy style we have had in recent years. I would go for Griezmann for Sociedad on the left and have him compliment Lennon on the right. I want our wide players to be able to go outside and inside full backs.

I want us to sign two forwards - one experienced and one up and coming. I would go for Wlfried Bony or Seydou Doumbia as an experienced forward and Michy Batshuayi from standard as an up n coming option.

It is a lot of ins and outs but I feel that we need to clear out those who are not fully on board/haven't performed as they should. Vertonghen and Lloris should both bring in big fees so the net spend wouldn't be massive, especially as all the players I have mentioned as possible signings have 1 or 2 years left on their contracts from the summer of 2014 with the exception of Bathsuayi and Davies who have 4 and 3 left respectively.
 
OUTSI would go for Griezmann for Sociedad on the left and have him compliment Lennon on the right. I want our wide players to be able to go outside and inside full backs.

you had me until this point. Lennon painfully shows that unless he has acres of pitch to work with he cannot go outside a full back and when he comes inside his left foot is week.


For me:

I fancy getting rid of loads of the players who all fancy themselves way too much and using the money for the stadium. We wasted 100m on players who are not contributing to our side.

SELL:

Soldado_______Get him out whilst there are teams in Spain who still want him.
Chadli_________Useless. Sell him on for what we got for him.
Vertonghen_____We can get a good fee for him now and he looks like he wants out. Let him go but outside the premier league.
Capoue________With the emergence of Benteleb im happy to let him go. He is no better than Livermore and we will have him back next season.
Naughton______Useless at left back and not good enough at right back. Sell him on and Have fredericks as Walkers understudy.
Pualinhio_______I dont think he is suited to the English league. Let him play well for Brazil them sell him into Spain.
Lloris__________His stock is high in France. Sell him to PSG or Monaco for an exhorbatant fee.
BAE___________Hopefully QPR take him on for 3m or so.

Not sure:
Kaboul_________Injury prone and not looking his old self. Maybe give him next season to prove himself.
Lennon_________Reached his ceiling and looks on the way down. Might be time to cash in on him whilst we can.
Siggurdsson_____Dont think he really has a place in our squad now. Teams like him and will pay for him so we could get 10m back in for him.

In:
Agree on Begovic to replace Lloris. Blind at left back would be a good choice and coming from Ajax you know he would have technique. I also like your idea on getting Garray in. Benfica dont sell cheap though so it would be expensive. Agree on Bony as well so we have a like for like with Ade. Think we need another more attacking midfielder. Someone along the lines of Villa or Nasri. I know they are hard to find but its what we need.

Leaving the squad like this:

GK:
Begovic
New Back up Keepr

RB:
Walker
Fredericks

LB:
Rose
Blind

Centre Back:
Kaboul
Dawson
Chiriches
Garry

Midfield:
Sandro
Livermore
Carroll
Eriksen
Townsend
Benteleb
Dembele
Holtby
Siggurddsson
NEW Midfielder
Lamela

Strikers:
Adebayor
Bony
Young Up and coming Striker.
 
you had me until this point. Lennon painfully shows that unless he has acres of pitch to work with he cannot go outside a full back and when he comes inside his left foot is week.


For me:

I fancy getting rid of loads of the players who all fancy themselves way too much and using the money for the stadium. We wasted 100m on players who are not contributing to our side.

SELL:

Soldado_______Get him out whilst there are teams in Spain who still want him.
Chadli_________Useless. Sell him on for what we got for him.
Vertonghen_____We can get a good fee for him now and he looks like he wants out. Let him go but outside the premier league.
Capoue________With the emergence of Benteleb im happy to let him go. He is no better than Livermore and we will have him back next season.
Naughton______Useless at left back and not good enough at right back. Sell him on and Have fredericks as Walkers understudy.
Pualinhio_______I dont think he is suited to the English league. Let him play well for Brazil them sell him into Spain.
Lloris__________His stock is high in France. Sell him to PSG or Monaco for an exhorbatant fee.
BAE___________Hopefully QPR take him on for 3m or so.

Not sure:
Kaboul_________Injury prone and not looking his old self. Maybe give him next season to prove himself.
Lennon_________Reached his ceiling and looks on the way down. Might be time to cash in on him whilst we can.
Siggurdsson_____Dont think he really has a place in our squad now. Teams like him and will pay for him so we could get 10m back in for him.

In:
Agree on Begovic to replace Lloris. Blind at left back would be a good choice and coming from Ajax you know he would have technique. I also like your idea on getting Garray in. Benfica dont sell cheap though so it would be expensive. Agree on Bony as well so we have a like for like with Ade. Think we need another more attacking midfielder. Someone along the lines of Villa or Nasri. I know they are hard to find but its what we need.

Leaving the squad like this:

GK:
Begovic
New Back up Keepr

RB:
Walker
Fredericks

LB:
Rose
Blind

Centre Back:
Kaboul
Dawson
Chiriches
Garry

Midfield:
Sandro
Livermore
Carroll
Eriksen
Townsend
Benteleb
Dembele
Holtby
Siggurddsson
NEW Midfielder
Lamela

Strikers:
Adebayor
Bony
Young Up and coming Striker.

Lennon isn't everyones cup of tea but I do feel that he has been marginalised by the style over the past two seasons. I agree he isn't the best coming inside but he is a threat when doing so and does panic defenders. Just don't ask him to shoot on the run with his left.......I don't think I have seen him manage a proper connected shot like that in all his years here. Plus I like his defensive output.

Garay might not cost as much as you would think.......only 2 years left on his contract so if he is making noises once interest is official then Benfica have a decision to make.

Blind would be more my choice than Davies due to his versatility and greater experience.

I want 2 forwards and Soldado/Adebayor staying. I am fed up with limited options up top and I want slightly different forwards available to help us.
 
The truth is we are just an above average Premier League team nothing more than that. We look absolutely toothless going forward with Eriksen and Ade the only bright sparks but even they are inconsistent. Nobody is on the same wavelength and we just look like a team full of players who have never met each other before. I was patient for the first half of the season as it takes time for a team to gel and even after the 6-0 and 0-5 hammering's to City and Liverpool i thought we would eventually turn the corner but i've got to the point where i've realised the squad is just full of average players.
Are we really above average,it's not like we have out played many teams this season? imo we will end up behind Utd and Everton with Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Saints maybe wrestling 7th from us.Really can't see many points from the next three games.
 
Seriously, sell Lloris? Have any of you been around for the years of **** we have had for keepers in the last decade?

I'm beginning to think this board is inhabited by 12 year olds that play FM, sell 6-9 first team players? have we learnt nothing from trying to bed 7 players in one season?

Sell a Brazilian international midfielder and replace with ****ing Livermore? am I supposed to even argue this **** .. and where is the money to buy all these players going to come from? assuming we are replacing with better?
 
I blame the obsession with qualifying for the Champions League. It's led to this constant sense of single-minded desperation and, since our successful qualification four seasons ago, a self-fulfilling fear and melodramatic anger at failure.

I've forgotten what it feels like just to enjoy supporting and watching your team.

Good post, let's do just that on Sunday!

How can you get back to enjoying watching the team when you have to watch some of the horrible performances we have had to ensure at white hart lane this season?

Again, if the performances are not there it is difficult to support the team. Yesterday I sat there in disbelief at how our team had been set up? The last thing I could muster was a song!

This idea that the team will start playing better if we provide an atmosphere is just a load of bollox! We need better tactics from a better manager who the players respect and who will guide them and help them buy into his ethos.

It's like telling a terminally ill cancer patient that they will be cured if they take a chinese herbal remedy - it isn't going to happen!
 
Seriously, sell Lloris? Have any of you been around for the years of **** we have had for keepers in the last decade?

I'm beginning to think this board is inhabited by 12 year olds that play FM, sell 6-9 first team players? have we learnt nothing from trying to bed 7 players in one season?

Sell a Brazilian international midfielder and replace with ****ing Livermore? am I supposed to even argue this **** .. and where is the money to buy all these players going to come from? assuming we are replacing with better?

Slightly overdramatic but I will address the points you raise.

Yes to sell Lloris. He has appeared to indicate that he would have to look at his future if we don't get top 4. We don't need that sort of attitude. No one is denying he is better than pretty much all our keepers in recent times. I would think the money we can get for him represents good business - he isn't irreplacable. Mistakes like that mistiming of the ball bouncing over him last night have started to become more and more common and he appears erratic to me.

I have suggested selling a few players yes, because I feel they are not of the sufficient quality and/or attitude of playing for our club.

What Brazilian is being replaced by Livermore? I want rid of Capoue not Paulinho. Livermore would come back, be part of the squad again, a home grown player with the right attitude and no real difference in ability I can see with Capoue.

The money for this comes from the over the top money you would get for Lloris and Vertonghen plus the other players sold off like Naughton and Rose.
 
As long as my favourites are still here, I won't mind too much what we do.


Erm, I'm actually struggling to think of who my favourites are at the moment.

Er...

...I kinda like Soldado's haunted running around thing. Walker is talented and game, if a bit dozy. Vlad is good craic.

That's about it.
 
Erm, I'm actually struggling to think of who my favourites are at the moment.

Er...

...I kinda like Soldado's haunted running around thing. Walker is talented and game, if a bit dozy. Vlad is good craic.

That's about it.

The only player I'd be gutted to lose would be Eriksen.
After that I'd certainly have reservations about losing Dembele, Bentaleb, Townsend and Chiriches.
If we got our money back for Soldado and Lamela I'd say deal, otherwise I'd say try and work with them.

The rest, I honestly couldn't give two tosses about. Such a far cry from the team we had under Redknapp a couple of years ago
 
Another thing that strikes me is the robotisation of all our players. We barely have a single player with any personality/unique character traits or who have that x-factor, vast majority are athletes designed to just be strong and run fast. We all know that was AVB's masterplan and even if it was dull as f*ck to watch, I guess he got some decent (if lucky) results out of at least although I highly doubt it would have worked long term. Sherwood is the antithesis - he clearly dislikes having those players at his disposal. We have almost zero flair in our team, it's a joke when you think about it. All cos AVB wanted to program a load of individuals, morph them in to some outrageously disciplined footballers. As we all know, footballers aren't very clever and many like to have a bit of freedom. After the typical honeymoon start a manager tends to have, which Sherwood enjoyed, any and all freedom in our players has just vanished.

Doesn't really matter who comes in to replace him, they won't be able to get much more out of this bunch. It's just so unTottenham like, too, even in the many years where we have had limited success we've been full of flair players from your Ardiles and Villas to your Klinsmann and Ginolas to your Berbatov and Modrics and so on. Eriksen is literally our only player with a bit of imagination at present and that's not on the levels of the above lot. Lamela already seems to have had his coached out of him!

So sad when you sit back and think about it.
 
Lamela already seems to have had his coached out of him!

The funny thing is that he's coached by former Tottenham players (Sherwood, Ferdinand, Freund...). I know I'm in a minority here but I do think we have a very strong squad. I wouldn't swap it with Everton's, Saudi Sportswashing Machine's or even United's all of whom could finish above us.

For me, it's not the players (though the pattern mentioned about Villas Boas' signings is certainly correct), it's the coaching staff that's atrocious. I'll be honest, I have always disliked Ferdinand as a player but, more importantly, all that sorry lot has zero experience as coaches. Yes, maybe one or two of them are decent but it seems rather silly to me to invest a fortune on new players and feed them to a bunch of nobodies with no track record. Imagine the uproar if it were the other way round...

These guys are Redknapp's legacy and he'd be the first to admit that he never spent too much time worrying about coaching.

We're in a mess now because of a succession of very poor decision so the new man in charge will have to lift the players' spirits but I'm fairly sure that anyone with a solid gamplan and his own staff will get so much more from this team.
 
The funny thing is that he's coached by former Tottenham players (Sherwood, Ferdinand, Freund...). I know I'm in a minority here but I do think we have a very strong squad. I wouldn't swap it with Everton's, Saudi Sportswashing Machine's or even United's all of whom could finish above us.

For me, it's not the players (though the pattern mentioned about Villas Boas' signings is certainly correct), it's the coaching staff that's atrocious. I'll be honest, I have always disliked Ferdinand as a player but, more importantly, all that sorry lot has zero experience as coaches. Yes, maybe one or two of them are decent but it seems rather silly to me to invest a fortune on new players and feed them to a bunch of nobodies with no track record. Imagine the uproar if it were the other way round...

These guys are Redknapp's legacy and he'd be the first to admit that he never spent too much time worrying about coaching.

We're in a mess now because of a succession of very poor decision so the new man in charge will have to lift the players' spirits but I'm fairly sure that anyone with a solid gamplan and his own staff will get so much more from this team.

Hi..G.. agreed ..Ferdinand..not a great player..why hes a coach..I just dunno..LOL..nice guy though.

Ginola training for his FIFA badges with us..so maybe he can help us out!

This club has so much bad luck.. Why people keep going on about Rednapp I dont know..He f***d us up wanting England..He hardley brought in any good players.

just common sense jouney men to stable us ..Kean back..Defoe..Crouch..but he did not have a clue when looking around for super star quality.
Modric and VDV were brought in by Levy and Bale was all ready at the club.

We have lost great players every other year..and thats our downfull. Manu, Chelscum[tapped Modders] and now Madrid..

Will this ever change..
I,m waffling now...LOL..anyway...Coyspurs..oh yes I nearly forgot..our fans are **** at HOME........

THEY never TO GET BEHIND THE TEAM ....................................................................................................only about a fith in ground really care ...the rest..I dont know why thet turn up.

they are a giant weight around the players neck IN MY OPPINION>>>>>>>>>>>>

PS. MR G...I though you had been abducted by Aliens...LOL..........
 
I think the squad situation maybe even worse than the OP suggests:

Goalkeepers:

Lloris - massively overrated, panics the defence with constant needless rush-outs, makes massive balls-ups (such as the one with Vertonghen last night) but seems to get away with many due to reflexes and gets an easy ride due to reputation, but I'd prefer a steady pair of hands.
Freidel - steady, but too old now
Gomes - blimey! He's still here? He's actually as good as Lloris IMO its just that he's been labelled a clown by the media due to the same style ****-ups Lloris constantly gets away with.

Defenders

Dawson - passionate but limited, needs a lightning fast, sweeper type alongside him to get the best out of him and the last time we had that in the back-line was Bassong, when the Bassong/Dawson partnership got us CL football.
Kaboul - how can you rely on someone so injury prone? He plays, what 2 games a season? Need to get his wages off the bill and get someone that is going to be able to play at least half the games we want him to?
Vertonghen - another massively overrated player. His talent as a footballer is unquestionable, but I'm starting to see why he turned down Arsenal as Wenger wanted to use him in midfield. Wenger is many things, but he is IMO still a good judge of a player. Jan gets constantly done in defence and makes many many mistakes but doesn't get half the flack from the media and Spurs fans as he should. He should be playing left-back or defensive midfield, but doesn't want to and has a **** attitude, so get rid.
Chiriches - Has potential, he deserves a second season to assess properly. We looked far more secure defensively with him alongside Dawson, we've looked a complete shambles ironically since Vertonghen returned.

Right-backs - Walker - Ok, he is fast, but he is completely brain dead - that throw straight to Benfica on the edge of our box last night is typical of his many many brain farts that are still not being erradicated. Another who is vastly overrated and the more solid Naughton (when he is playing right-back) gets hammered for far, far less.
Naughton - lets face it this guy suffers from constantly being played left-back. Whenever he is played right-back, I honestly can't fault him too much, but I think he is a limited footballer, as an understudy to a decent right-back, i have no problems with him.

Left-backs - blimey lets not even go there. We have a mentally unhinged left-winger and a 19 year old kid to choose from.

Central midfield

Sandro - starting to be in the same boat as Kaboul, we have seemed to pin all our hopes on this guy the last two seasons, but he constantly lets us down by his absence, fitness wise. How can you rely on someone that barely plays and is constantly disrupting the team by being in and out of it all the time. Plus, i don't honestly think he is as good as people make out and constantly lunges in leaving us exposed. Come back, Tom Huddlestone, all is forgiven!
Capoue - did we even sign this guy? He started off promisingly, got injured, then seems to have been binned permanently by Sherwood. Who knows why, hasn't impressed in recent appearances, but that's hopefully due to rustiness and lack of confidence, maybe another season under a new manager will show us whether he's worth keeping
Paulinho - He literrally is the new Jenas, you hardly notice the guy in games and constantly plays sidewards, nothing balls, losees possession, often in dangerous places, constantly gives up on loose balls and throws his arms around, but does pop up wiht the odd goal out of nothing on occasions. Too often a passenger, what a waste of money.
Bentaleb - the guy is just a kid and does appear to have some talent, but he shouldn't have such responsibility thrust on him, its not his fault we've sold or loaned out any central midfielder we had who could pass the ball in the summer. We should develop him carefully in his best interests before making a final assessment on whether he's good enough.
Dembele - We missed him yesterday but he doesn't make the most of his talent. I'd keep him to see if a new manager can maximise his potential, but the guy seems to constantly play with the handbreak on. He literally could be as good as Yaya Toure, but there's just some kind of mental block there that prevents him from doing what he is capable of and running games from start to finish.

Attacking midfielders

Holtby - this guy is just what we need, he is talented, passionate, and hard working. What do we do? We friggin send him on loan to Fulham, i give up!
Eriksen - luckily we have this guy, the only shining light in this long, dark season, please stay and entertain us, nobody else looks like doing so!
Lamela - did we even sign this guy, or was it a dream?

Wingers

Lennon - why he is still at spurs i don't know, how has nobody at the club said that surely we'd be better off binning him off to another club, so that he can do his trick of knocking the ball back to the right back, setting off on his little flying run, setting up the full back when he gets on the ball, threatening to do something, before knocking it back to someone in a less threatening position, somwhere else
Townsend - this guy is the greedy kid at school that shot whenever he got the ball and ignored everyone else on the pitch - the guy has talent, so why aren't the coaches coaching it out of him?
Falque - at this rate he could be our most productive winger at hte club when he returns, how depressing
Chadli - see Lamela

Forwards

Ade - When he's hot, he's hot, but having to rely on this guy just makes me uncomfortable as i'd liken it to a girl going out with a partner with a history of violence but has been nice for a few months.
Soldado - The next Rebrov, Postiga, Pav in the Spurs expensive striker graveyard
Kane - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

A pretty good summation in my view (apart from the Huddlestone comment!). And yet with this lot, people are still surprised we are struggling. Add on top of that a horrendous injury list preventing the same team being played from game to game, and you end up where we are. It's a shame, but unfortunately it's the truth.
 
Lennon isn't everyones cup of tea but I do feel that he has been marginalised by the style over the past two seasons. I agree he isn't the best coming inside but he is a threat when doing so and does panic defenders. Just don't ask him to shoot on the run with his left.......I don't think I have seen him manage a proper connected shot like that in all his years here. Plus I like his defensive output.

Garay might not cost as much as you would think.......only 2 years left on his contract so if he is making noises once interest is official then Benfica have a decision to make.

Blind would be more my choice than Davies due to his versatility and greater experience.

I want 2 forwards and Soldado/Adebayor staying. I am fed up with limited options up top and I want slightly different forwards available to help us.
Better not get Daley Blind for the LB spot.
He's too slow. At Eredivisie level, it doesn't show but against France he was shocking.

This season he has been played in central midfield by Frank de Boer. He's good on the ball but a bit lightweight without it. He'd need a bodyguard next to him.
 
Erm, I'm actually struggling to think of who my favourites are at the moment.

Er...

...I kinda like Soldado's haunted running around thing. Walker is talented and game, if a bit dozy. Vlad is good craic.

That's about it.

Vlad, Eriksen and Lamela, I hope those three are in our starting lineup next season. I kind of have a thing for Bentaleb too, I hope he's not just discarded in favour of bigger established names. There are of course others I like and would keep but then there's quite a few I wouldn't be bothered to see go. Then there's Jan and Hugo who I've detached myself from because I know they're going to pull a Carrick/Berbatov/Modric etc on us.
 
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