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The Pitch and serious injuries

Gutter Boy said:
To be fair, its been told in the Guardian as well: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-spurs-head-of-medicine-geoff-scott-injuries
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Tottenham’s squad has been devastated by injuries for the last two seasons under Postecoglou and Thomas Frank, with the club experiencing 41 injuries last season leading to 1,553 days out, the second-highest total in the Premier League after Brighton.

So we appoint a guy from Brighton as our director of performance services??? :confused:
 
Raziel said:
Interesting, one of my theories is injuries creates it's own vicious circle

e.g. if as you said Ange was at fault, we get more injuries, more injuries puts more pressure/play/training time on remaining players which in turn cause more injuries, circle goes on. The past two seasons we have started season without full squad, and more players get injured before the current injured ones come back ..

The priority for club beyond continuing to review the medical issues is to start the season with almost a fully fit squad, unfortunately we will already start next season with a minimum of Xavi, Odobert, Deki out, with question marks on Kudus, and Maddison and Solanke still not quite proven match fit (hopefully pre-season helps)
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I see a lot of sense in this being the cause of the injury issues and maybe this season with fewer games will turn out to be a boon as a consequence of not getting Europe.

A season where we are able to rehab our injured players, rotate conservatively and serious reinforcements might just well set us up for a really positive run in 27/28.
 
Mabspurs said:
Tottenham’s squad has been devastated by injuries for the last two seasons under Postecoglou and Thomas Frank, with the club experiencing 41 injuries last season leading to 1,553 days out, the second-highest total in the Premier League after Brighton.

So we appoint a guy from Brighton as our director of performance services??? :confused:
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And that's perhaps why Munn is now buried under the car park
 
Bishop said:
I see a lot of sense in this being the cause of the injury issues and maybe this season with fewer games will turn out to be a boon as a consequence of not getting Europe.

A season where we are able to rehab our injured players, rotate conservatively and serious reinforcements might just well set us up for a really positive run in 27/28.
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Especially since the 5 subs rule has come in. If you have an injury crisis and don’t have the option to rotate during a game then you have tired bodies chasing fresh bodies.

Personally I think it’s a mixture of things.

Also this topic got me thinking the other day. Players at all clubs now wear those gps trackers during games and training. Before these became a thing if you weren’t feeling it one day then your levels might drop 10% in training. No big deal as long as you are performing in general. It’s only natural that your body doesn’t want to perform at 100% everyday. But I do wonder with these trackers if it pushes players to hit that 100% everyday potentially brining more injuries as the player can’t listen to their body but have to perform for the stattos.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Just spoke to a mate who used to work at the training ground/stadium, and was talking about our number of injuries. He said that the stadium, and training ground, are constantly tested for firmness/bounce with a meter, and it has to be within PL regulations, and if it isn't, they use a spiking machine to get it back within the limits before it's used. It gets tested before every game. Apparently there is an indoor warm up area in the stadium that can mimic this exact firmness too, so they are not warming up on a different feeling surface.
He also said that it was more likely due to Ange was known for rushing players back, against our medical teams advice, and the head left because Ange kept ignoring him. I know it doesn't explain some of our injuries to players who've joined since Ange left, but thought I'd share FWIW.
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The bit I forgot to mention, is that apparently Vinai can't make a decision to save his life, even at a micro level.
 
From the FAB board meeting (see other post)

Four months into his tenure, DL (Dan Lewingdon - Performance Director) provided an overview of the Club’s review of football performance and injury management. DL advised that the review covered squad design, training methods, recovery processes and player availability. He noted that injury levels had been affected by coaching changes, squad composition and player workloads, while re-injury rates remained comparatively low.

DL confirmed that improvements were being implemented across performance, recovery and player management, including individual performance plans and Training Centre enhancements. He discussed the Club’s targets around player availability.

Supporter representatives queried whether the Stadium pitch could be contributing to player injuries. DL confirmed that the pitch is independently tested before every match and was clear that the current data does not indicate a statistically significant link between the pitch and injury occurrence or severity.
 
Listened to the Tom Brady interview on the Gary Neville pod yesterday and it was really interesting how he explained his recovery and prevention process working with his personal coach (instead of the team-appointed one). Mostly, instead of working in the gym to strengthen muscles by making them shorter and denser, they worked on lengthening his muscles and making the tendons/ligaments more supple. They hired this coach at both the Las Vegas Raiders and Birmingham City FC where both clubs had the lowest number of injuries in both leagues last season.

Cheeky bid?
 
Love that Ace Face. It is true that players don't necessarily need big biceps, yet many players like to have them.
More important to have supple tendons/ligaments and strong muscles that support key structures like knees/ankles, rather than massive biceps/pecs/shoulders etc.
 
Bullet said:
Love that Ace Face. It is true that players don't necessarily need big biceps, yet many players like to have them.
More important to have supple tendons/ligaments and strong muscles that support key structures like knees/ankles, rather than massive biceps/pecs/shoulders etc.
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Thanks. I’ve wondered for a while if any players do exercises such as yoga or Pilates to “quietly” strengthen their bodies in a more holistic manner rather than strength-training on focused muscle groups.
 
Ace Face said:
Thanks. I’ve wondered for a while if any players do exercises such as yoga or Pilates to “quietly” strengthen their bodies in a more holistic manner rather than strength-training on focused muscle groups.
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20 years ago my then pilates instructor also did work with West Ham players.
I would imagine it's even more commonplace now. But probably as a supplement to other club-led training that they do.
 
Michael Holding spoke about that on cricket commentary about 10 years ago now. He was talking about Chris Tremlett and how he’s too muscley to bowl. In his day, the 70’s, he used to go to the gym all the time bit it wasn’t to lift heavy weights to gain muscle, it was a high number of repetitions on low weights, the idea was to strengthen the joints and the tendons/ligaments (?). So the idea has been around for at least 50 years in certain pro sports.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
20 years ago my then pilates instructor also did work with West Ham players.
I would imagine it's even more commonplace now. But probably as a supplement to other club-led training that they do.
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It's pretty standard I think. I know the yoga teacher for Sheffield United's squad. He got sacked when Wilder left, but then came back when he returned.

Jonathan Woodgate was the first I remember being really vocal about it - it's what gave him his injury free career Indian Summer
 
Ace Face said:
Thanks. I’ve wondered for a while if any players do exercises such as yoga or Pilates to “quietly” strengthen their bodies in a more holistic manner rather than strength-training on focused muscle groups.
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Giggs famously took up yoga in his late 20s and claimed that is what extended his career. If you remember when he was younger he was plagued with muscle strains and tears.
 
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Raziel said:
From the FAB board meeting (see other post)

Four months into his tenure, DL (Dan Lewingdon - Performance Director) provided an overview of the Club’s review of football performance and injury management. DL advised that the review covered squad design, training methods, recovery processes and player availability. He noted that injury levels had been affected by coaching changes, squad composition and player workloads, while re-injury rates remained comparatively low.

DL confirmed that improvements were being implemented across performance, recovery and player management, including individual performance plans and Training Centre enhancements. He discussed the Club’s targets around player availability.

Supporter representatives queried whether the Stadium pitch could be contributing to player injuries. DL confirmed that the pitch is independently tested before every match and was clear that the current data does not indicate a statistically significant link between the pitch and injury occurrence or severity.
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