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The Official 2019/20 Premier League Thread

I thought they stopped the game automatically this season if the ball hits the ref, especially when 3secs later it leads to a goal.

Can't VAR just disallow it, as everyone knows he should have blown?
 
They do, although apparently not when it disadvantages one of the preferred clubs doing their bit to keep the money train rolling. The lingering stench of favouritism pervades the whole VAR shít-show. The Blades player should have gone straight through him and scythed the ref's legs off at the knees. That would teach him to get in the way.
 
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I thought the idea was to check obvious mistake not fag paper measurements?
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Not for offside. Off side is a black and white decision and it was always intended to be implemented as such. If we don't like the decisions, it is the laws of the game that need changing.

Clear and obvious mistakes is for referees decisions in the penalty box. I think that this is where the biggest issue is with VAR. I think that many referees are reluctant to make big decisions and are looking for VAR to make them for them but VAR is not overturning the original decision because there wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. I think that VAR should referee major decisions in the box.
 
milo said:
it is the laws of the game that need changing.
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This is not straightforward, as offside is actually being implemented correctly. Its a change in the measuring parameters that are in need of “adjustment”.The rule is fine but the margins is too small
 
StephenH said:
This is not straightforward as offside is actually being implemented correctly. Its a change in the measuring parameters that are in need of “adjustment”.The rule is fine but the margins is too small
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The difference is that these kind of decisions couldn't be made with the naked eye in real time. What happened before is that we got incorrect decisions both ways.

If you are going to use VAR for offside, I don't see how you can do anything other than use it to the letter of the law. If you introduce a grey area where you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, people will just argue whether it is in the grey area or not or whether the grey area is being applied consistently.
 
milo said:
The difference is that these kind of decisions couldn't be made with the naked eye in real time. What happened before is that we got incorrect decisions both ways.

If you are going to use VAR for offside, I don't see how you can do anything other than use it to the letter of the law. If you introduce a grey area where you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, people will just argue whether it is in the grey area or not or whether the grey area is being applied consistently.
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Maybe we use the head as a line through the body, not limbs/armpits etc
 
milo said:
The difference is that these kind of decisions couldn't be made with the naked eye in real time. What happened before is that we got incorrect decisions both ways.

If you are going to use VAR for offside, I don't see how you can do anything other than use it to the letter of the law. If you introduce a grey area where you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, people will just argue whether it is in the grey area or not or whether the grey area is being applied consistently.
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I think there is a pretty obvious tolerance in these things - take the width of the lines they apply to the image for example.

The image quality is not so accurate that they can place and judge these things with absolute certainty - so what if there needed to be no overlap on those lines to be deemed offside?

Its a simple solution that takes account of the room for error.

Pukki - you could barely see his line behind Alderweirelds. FAR to close to conclusively call.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
I think there is a pretty obvious tolerance in these things - take the width of the lines they apply to the image for example.

The image quality is not so accurate that they can place and judge these things with absolute certainty - so what if there needed to be no overlap on those lines to be deemed offside?

Its a simple solution that takes account of the room for error.

Pukki - you could barely see his line behind Alderweirelds. FAR to close to conclusively call.
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My understanding is that they are releasing images with thicker lines to the media because they show up better on TV. That obviously doesn't help.

I think that the obvious solution is to broadcast the conversation between the ref and video ref. The commentators don't know what the fudge they are talking about and create a lot of confusion by speculating on the implementation of rules they don't understand.
 
I believe when the rules were written it was to stop PLAYERS from being goal side of the last defender not their finger nails or stray locks of hair, the rule has always been flawed as I think it was meant to stop players getting an unfair advantage but has been misused by sloppy coaches, players and teams as a defensive tactic. I've always argued it's poor defending as you are replying on officials to do your job for you.
 
milo said:
My understanding is that they are releasing images with thicker lines to the media because they show up better on TV. That obviously doesn't help.
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First Ive heard of it, but I still think regardless of potential thinner lines and accuracy - its still far to close.

When an armpit gets you offside we have to admit this is ridiculous. There is no "clear and obvious error" about it at that point.

From a selfish point of view Im glad it got chalked off - I think we lose that game if it didnt - but on a more pragmatic view I think its an awful decision.

Similarly the Zaha one.

milo said:
I think that the obvious solution is to broadcast the conversation between the ref and video ref. The commentators don't know what the fudge they are talking about and create a lot of confusion by speculating on the implementation of rules they don't understand.
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I think that would help in general, and have advocated from the start these things should be broadcast - but I dont think it does anything to help with the nature of them trying to call someones armpit offside by 8 millimetres...
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
First Ive heard of it, but I still think regardless of potential thinner lines and accuracy - its still far to close.

When an armpit gets you offside we have to admit this is ridiculous. There is no "clear and obvious error" about it at that point.
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I'll see if I can find the thing I read about the thicker lines.

We are back to talking about changing the rules or not applying them. If you don't apply them, I think it will lead to more arguments because there will be questions about consistency.

Clear and obvious error is not a consideration with offside VAR decisions. It is just black and white.
 
Except it cant be black and white because they simply cant be THAT accurate. Hence a degree of tolerance/judgement/grey area must be applied.

Im talking about at the absolute thin edge of the wedge here, the finest point of detail/decision.

9/10 times the offside calls are absolutely clear and correct (take Alli for example in the same game).

But that Pukki one? Impossible. And its there that referees should be allowed a bit of leeway for judgement.
 
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