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The CL Permutations Thread
- Thread starter Dicko
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Looking at last year though there are 10 ties in teh play-offs. so even if Malaga, Borussia, Lille and Udinese are in there, there should be 6 other teams who would be less fearsome
jaysea67
Erik Edman
We would be seeded and could only be drawn against one of the 5 unseeded teams. Currently it looks as though those 4 will be unseeded, although Udinese (and Lille) could be seeded if 3 (4 for Lille) of the 6 teams ranked ahead of them don't qualify for, or qualify but lose in, the previous qualifying round.
Why is there the possibility of just 5 opponents? Last year there were 10 play-offs, so 20 teams:
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000262/index.html
Out of those 5 are seeded, leaving 15 unseeded....or am I missing something obvious?
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000262/index.html
Out of those 5 are seeded, leaving 15 unseeded....or am I missing something obvious?
10 champions and 10 non-champions - paired against each other (5 seeded / 5 un-seeded each)
We are only paired against 'non-champion' non-seeded teams in the play-off round.
Gives 'champion' teams from smaller leagues a better chance to make the group stages
Else Germany/Spain/England's 4th team would anihilate Slovakia's 1st 9/10 times - unfair
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Good news is that Nordsjaelland only managed a draw this Monday, so FC Copenhagen are back at the top in Denmark. Two rounds of matches remaining.
From Greece it will almost certainly be Panathinaikos. If AEK win away at Panathinaikos next game they will qualify instead with a coefficient of 24.420, making Brugge seeded in Q3.
In Romania it looks like this (penultimate round got under way today). Team in 2nd goes into qualifying:
Some very unofficial guess work by me:
Every unseeded team that goes through from Q3 will lift one unseeded team into the seeded group. Borussia have not been in Europe for the past 5 seasons and will only have Germany's coefficient, which is an average of all clubs competing and even a Bayern win in the final won't give them enough to be seeded.
From Greece it will almost certainly be Panathinaikos. If AEK win away at Panathinaikos next game they will qualify instead with a coefficient of 24.420, making Brugge seeded in Q3.
In Romania it looks like this (penultimate round got under way today). Team in 2nd goes into qualifying:
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1 CFR Cluj 32 +31 67
2 FC Vaslui 33 +28 67
3 Steaua Bucuresti 32 +20 62Some very unofficial guess work by me:
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3rd Qualifying Round for Non-Champions (10 teams)
Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ----------------
Sporting Braga Por 63.069 Club Brugge Bel 35.480
Dinamo Kiev Ukr 62.026 FC Vaslui Rom 13.764
Panathinaikos Gre 50.920 Feyenoord Ned 12.603
Spartak Moscow Rus 46.066 FC Nordsjaelland Den 8.005
Fenerbah?ºe Tur 41.615 Motherwell Sco 6.728
4th Qualifying Round for Non-Champions (10 teams)
Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ---------------- ------------------------ --- ----------------
Tottenham Hotspur Eng >66.857 Fenerbah?ºe *3 Tur 41.615
Sporting Braga *3 Por 63.069 Udinese Ita 38.996
Dinamo Kiev *3 Ukr 62.026 Lille OSC Fra 38.835
Panathinaikos *3 Gre 50.920 M?ílaga CF Esp 16.837
Spartak Moscow *3 Rus 46.066 Borussia M?Ânchengladbach Ger >15.003Every unseeded team that goes through from Q3 will lift one unseeded team into the seeded group. Borussia have not been in Europe for the past 5 seasons and will only have Germany's coefficient, which is an average of all clubs competing and even a Bayern win in the final won't give them enough to be seeded.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Monchengladbach might not be as good next season as they have already lost Marco Reus to Dortmund.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I'd rather avoid Malaga, but I'd also enjoy knocking them out. I wouldn't wanna play Udinese or travel to Turkey.
lunix
Stuart Nethercott
But they have Granit Xhaka on the way in and I was very impressed with what I saw of him with Basel this season.
Leeds Spur
Banned
fudge me. Couldn't this wait till Sunday morning?
I could see Feyenoord and Brugge possibly making it through depending on who they draw in the 3rd qualifying and I would be happy with either of them as they would definitely be unseeded. Potential for trouble against Feyenoord might be an issue though.
jaysea67
Erik Edman
It's possible (if very unlikely) for Brugge to be seeded in the play-offs. It would happen if 3 unseeded teams ranked below them won in the 3rd qualifying round.
1882
Milenko Acimovic
THAT!
I imagine there are some who have already booked the 2 days off work for the away leg!!! Jesus freaking tempting fate on the Cross!!
haven't some people learnt ANYTHING from the Mind the Gap fiasco???
jaysea67
Erik Edman
To even things up ...
If Chelsea win the CL final then, in accordance with UEFA's regulations, Tottenham will be transferred to the Europa League "into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy". Presumably that will be direct entry into the group stages of the EL in the FA Cup winners spot which will no longer be required by Chelsea. In that case, we would definitely be in Pot 1 for the EL draw as there are a maximum of 8 teams ranked higher than us that could be in the draw for the 12 EL groups.
If Chelsea win the CL final then, in accordance with UEFA's regulations, Tottenham will be transferred to the Europa League "into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy". Presumably that will be direct entry into the group stages of the EL in the FA Cup winners spot which will no longer be required by Chelsea. In that case, we would definitely be in Pot 1 for the EL draw as there are a maximum of 8 teams ranked higher than us that could be in the draw for the 12 EL groups.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
That's more like it....First seeds in a group. With a bit more squad depth, maybe it'll be a competition Harry will really go for next year. A potential back-up squad of;
------------Cudicini------------
Smith--Dawson--Caulker--Naughton
Hoilett[-o< -Livermore-Huddlestone-Townsend
------------Defoe---Remy[-o< -------------
could conceivably carry us through the group stages with relative ease, and possibly even both the first and second knock-out rounds. No need to have the first team involved until the quarter-final.